NRR: Why is the Pope's visit such a big deal?

And Dora - being a Global Warming Dupe is not a flattering characteristic.

Pollly P wrote:

Outside the US no one gives a damn about Global Warming (hoax). Tell me which Asian or Middle Eastern countries specifically are in favor of reducing CO2 emissions as a widespread policy. Which countries - each and ever one.

It would be far easier to list each and every country which did not sign onto the Kyoto Protocol in some form.

1) Afghanistan

2) Sudan

3) United States

The Chinese reduction in CO” emissions is due to their economy slowing down quite dramatically.

As for the Pope, he certainly has some strange priorities.

With a Christian being murdered every 5 minutes in Muslim lands, I doubt the terrified remnants of what were once thriving communities are much concerned about the effects of climate change.

He comes over a bit of a half-wit, riding in a Fiat 500, what on earth is the point of that.

What was needed right now is a Pope the calibre of those that proclaimed Crusades to liberate their fellow Christians.

Dora the Agoraphobiac wrote:

Pollly P wrote:

Which countries - each and ever one.

China-

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/15/3659355/china-coal-use-drops/

Japan-

http://www.pecj.or.jp/english/jcap/jcap1/index_jcap1.html

India-

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/modi-launches-air-quality-index-wants-change-in-lifestyle-to-save-environment/story-C8VHWyZWYe36La6PQ7v2eO.html

You can look up the rest on your own, you ignorant sloth.

AIR QUALITY isn't Global Warming. Air quality has very immediate, significant, and obvious impact.

Do you actually think China and India have any interest in reducing CO2 emissions? Watch as their usage continues to skyrocket as it did last decade.

Pollly P wrote:

What a pleasant thing to say, Dora. China's CO2 emissions have tripled since 1998 - the same time the Earth quit warming. All talk.

You wanted proof of any Middle Eastern/Asian countries instituting widespread policies targeting CO2 emissions, claiming that none of them have. I gave you three big ones. It's not "all talk". You were wrong. Admit it.

I don't care if you don't want to believe scientists who say that the climate is changing and sea levels are rising because of human activity. Air and water pollution is bad for people. Burning coal, building pipelines, fracking, and transporting toxic chemicals near residential areas, through our farmlands, and near our water sources is bad for people. It is in our best long-term economic interest to move towards cleaner, more efficient forms of energy. "But jobs!" is not a strong enough argument to oppose common sense environmental regulations.

Liberalism = a mental disorder wrote:

Do you actually think China and India have any interest in reducing CO2 emissions? Watch as their usage continues to skyrocket as it did last decade.

I have no idea what the powers that be in those countries actually want (I'd hope they realize that it's not in their best interests to have a large population of stunted asthmatics dying prematurely every year). But they've instituted policies targeting CO2 emissions, which are linked to both global warming AND air quality.

Dora the Agoraphobiac wrote:

Liberalism = a mental disorder wrote:

Do you actually think China and India have any interest in reducing CO2 emissions? Watch as their usage continues to skyrocket as it did last decade.

I have no idea what the powers that be in those countries actually want (I'd hope they realize that it's not in their best interests to have a large population of stunted asthmatics dying prematurely every year). But they've instituted policies targeting CO2 emissions, which are linked to both global warming AND air quality.

The goal of the Kyoto Protocol is to reduce worldwide greenhouse gas emissions to 5.2 percent below 1990 levels between 2008 and 2012.

In 2013, global CO2 emissions due to fossil fuel use were 36 gigatonnes (GtCO2); this is 61% higher than 1990 (the Kyoto Protocol reference year) and 2.3% higher than 2012.

China's CO2 emissions since the Kyoto Agreement was signed have TRIPLED. What policies has China instituted since the Kyoto Agreement (1997) to combat its CO2 emissions?

All talk.

"Cult" is clearly a pejorative term for a religion, but you know that.

" I can already see that it's going to deteriorate in a bunch of close-minded and divisive posts." - Yes, like your post.

"I hope this thread gets deleted very soon." - I would want my post deleted too if my blatant trolling got called out.

Let's look at China's CO2 emissions... not "talk" about future policies and compare it to the US.

China CO2 Emissions (Gigatons)

2010 8.3 gt

2013 10.3 gt an increase of nearly 25% in three years

US CO2 Emissions (Gigatons)

2010 5.4 gt

2013 5.3 gt a decrease of 2%

At this rate China's annual increase ALONE will surpass the annual emissions of the US in about 7 and a half years!

Here's another fun fact. By 2020 and possibly as soon as 2018, the annual CO2 emissions of China will surpass the CO2 emissions of THE. ENTIRE. WORLD. in 1990 when the IPCC published its first report.

The Pope is popular because America is crawling with left-leaning religious kooks who are actually whacked out enough to believe both in God in the first place and that the Pope is Jesus' representative in Earth.

The Pope is popular because America is crawling with left-leaning religious kooks who are actually whacked out enough to believe both in God in the first place and that the Pope is Jesus' representative in Earth.

READ AYN RAND wrote: The Pope is popular because America is crawling with RIGHT-leaning religious kooks who are actually whacked out enough to believe both in God in the first place and that the Pope is Jesus' representative in Earth.

^ FIFY

Pollly P wrote:

What policies has China instituted since the Kyoto Agreement (1997) to combat its CO2 emissions?

All talk.

Perhaps you are unaware of recent developments:

A summary of the steps China has taken, and those it plans to take, from the Director-General of the Chinese Department of Climate Change is available at the following website for INDC submissions (English translation starts halfway in and begins with "China attaches great importance to addressing climate change" and goes on to list the "climate actions" they have taken over the last few years.):

It's not just talk. I've already linked to an article showing that they've cut carbon emissions 8% in 4 months. Part of that might be due to an economic slowdown, but it's also because they're actually trying to reduce green house gases and have been moving towards cleaner energy (see growth in wind power below).

Still waiting for an explanation for why we shouldn't try to reduce CO2 emissions even if global warming isn't real, given the negative health impacts of pollution and the long-term economic efficiency afforded by cleaner energy

fisky wrote:

Let's look at China's CO2 emissions... not "talk" about future policies and compare it to the US. . .

From the fact that a developing and far more populous country is pissing in the communal pool at a growing rate and has finally surpassed our collective but not per capita output, it doesn't obviously follow that it's a good idea that we and everyone else should continue pissing in the communal pool as much as they like.

The Gallant Pig-Man wrote:

Pollly P wrote:

He is no different than Chuck Schumer, and I am a Catholic.

Not a very good one, apparently.

Just what is a good Catholic? Someone who worships a Pope who presides over a religious institution that, for all practical purposes, condones (or at least enables) pedophilia and child abuse. Nice....

You seemed to be pretty interested back in the day.

Tell us why you were out there to see him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4nzPHhKoDQ

Hanrahan Here wrote:

Just what is a good Catholic? Someone who worships a Pope who presides over a religious institution that, for all practical purposes, condones (or at least enables) pedophilia and child abuse. Nice....

Yes. The belief in the divine authority of the Pope is a pretty central tenet of Catholicism. If you don't think the Pope is any different from Chuck Schumer, then I don't see why you wouldn't just call yourself a Christian instead of a Catholic.

Did Rupp and/or AlSal head east to see their Pope? I would hope so given their deep beliefs in Catholicism.

The Pope has never been to America in his life, and had no plans to, because it "isn't the center of the universe," apparently. This visit obviously reverses that opinion so I would say that's a big deal.