"They even offered the black people their very own bathrooms, and yet these entitled blacks are dismissing the fact that the government is bending over backwards to accommodate them!"
"They even offered the black people their very own bathrooms, and yet these entitled blacks are dismissing the fact that the government is bending over backwards to accommodate them!"
Lib Rules wrote:
rojo wrote:http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/protest-transgender-teen-bathroom/By bending over backwards to the transgender person they are trampling on the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.
Serious question - What exact rights of the (hundreds of) girls are being trampled on? "...the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.", sounds a bit more like a want rather than a right.
I have the perspective that our communities should be more inclusive, rather than exclusive. I believe this goes along with your idea that we really shouldn't have separate bathrooms at all. I agree wholeheartedly on this point. Admittedly, it would take some time for people in the US to warm up to the idea given our current cultural norms.
so...the tranny has a "right" to use the girl's bathroom....but the girl's request that the tranny use either the boy's or neutral restroom is simply a "want". Damn, I wish I were as enlightened, sophisticated & intellectually nuanced as you, bruh..
Separate, but equal wrote:
"They even offered the black people their very own bathrooms, and yet these entitled blacks are dismissing the fact that the government is bending over backwards to accommodate them!"
Not sure if trolling or just stupid.
Howard Dean wrote:
Separate, but equal wrote:"They even offered the black people their very own bathrooms, and yet these entitled blacks are dismissing the fact that the government is bending over backwards to accommodate them!"
Not sure if trolling or just stupid.
Great point!
You know girls can't be "backward" and "hateful"... any negative emotion from a woman is a man's fault silly.
Lib Rules wrote:
rojo wrote:http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/protest-transgender-teen-bathroom/By bending over backwards to the transgender person they are trampling on the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.
Serious question - What exact rights of the (hundreds of) girls are being trampled on? "...the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.", sounds a bit more like a want rather than a right.
I have the perspective that our communities should be more inclusive, rather than exclusive. I believe this goes along with your idea that we really shouldn't have separate bathrooms at all. I agree wholeheartedly on this point. Admittedly, it would take some time for people in the US to warm up to the idea given our current cultural norms.
Apparently this transgendered person in the article doesn't agree with your all-inclusive idea for public restrooms, otherwise he/she would feel equally as comfortable using either locker room. He/she sees a difference between the male and female locker rooms, as he/she is requesting to use the girls' locker room because he/she doesn't feel comfortable using the boys room. Why are the girls at this school not entitled to the same right to feel uncomfortable when someone of the opposite sex is using their locker room? "Trampling on rights" goes both ways. Besides, Him/her wanting to use the girls' locker room sounds more like - as you put it - a want than a right.
Let me give an example. I have a special needs teenager who just can't stand lunchtime because of the loud noise and excessive activity in the cafeteria. Puts him into sensory overload. Solution - he eats in a teacher's office so he can have a nice, quiet lunch. Keeps him calm and makes for a better rest of the day. It was a very nice accommodation. I did not march up to the school and demand that the principal require the rest of the grade to shut up and sit down during their entire lunch because my kid couldn't handle the noise and didn't want to be embarrassed by having to eat lunch in a teacher's room.
If he still has it, then he can use it for more than one bodily function. Therefore, he should stay in his rightful place (aka Men's Bathroom) until he definitively commits to the woman's team.
rojo wrote:
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/protest-transgender-teen-bathroom/Isn't it common sense that if you have penis, you should have to a) use the men's bathroom. or b) the gender neutral bathroom that you were offered.
The fact that she self-identifies as a woman has nothing to do with it. It amazes me that someone could think it does. If society is so far advanced, then simply have one bathroom period. Personally, I've always found it weird that we have separate bathrooms at sporting events. It's not like I'm going to see your privates in a stall. But don't have a men's and women' s bathroom and then let people with penises use the women's bathroom.
Whose rights are being violated? By bending over backwards to the transgender person they are trampling on the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.
Rojo, so you are saying there should be 2 locker rooms - one for people with XX chromosomes and one for XY and that's final?
But what then for the 1% of the population that have neither XX or XY genotype? Should we have a separate option for every possible intersex genotype, also?
No?
Then should we group people by phenotype? Eg if they look like a girl, then they use the girls?
It matters to this person wrote:
Lib Rules wrote:Serious question - What exact rights of the (hundreds of) girls are being trampled on? "...the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.", sounds a bit more like a want rather than a right.
I have the perspective that our communities should be more inclusive, rather than exclusive. I believe this goes along with your idea that we really shouldn't have separate bathrooms at all. I agree wholeheartedly on this point. Admittedly, it would take some time for people in the US to warm up to the idea given our current cultural norms.
Apparently this black person in the article doesn't agree with your all-inclusive idea for public restrooms, otherwise he/she would feel equally as comfortable using the black locker room. He/she sees a difference between the black and white locker rooms, as he/she is requesting to use the white locker room because he/she doesn't feel comfortable using the black room. Why are the whites at this school not entitled to the same right to feel uncomfortable when a black person is using their locker room? "Trampling on rights" goes both ways. Besides, Him/her wanting to use the white locker room sounds more like - as you put it - a want than a right.
Let me give an example. I have a black teenager who just can't stand lunchtime because of the racist comments he receives in the white cafeteria. Puts him in a bad mood. Solution - he eats in the black cafeteria so he can have a nice, harassment-free lunch. Keeps him calm and makes for a better rest of the day. It was a very nice accommodation. I did not march up to the school and demand that the principal require the white kids to stop being racist during their entire lunch because one black kid couldn't handle it and didn't want to be embarrassed by having to eat lunch in the black cafeteria.
I fixed that for you.
. W. H. I. N. E. Y. wrote:
"Why is it that the public majority constantly is having to change and cater to the minority? How about gays, trannies or whatever the heck other things are out there just deal with it and accommodate to the established standards of society."
Well first things first, our entire system of government was literally designed to prevent the tyranny of the majority. And as "established standards of society" are constantly evolving, and often indefensible (this argument was also made to defend everything from slavery to subjugation of women), it is hardly a substantive reason for the continuation of something.
The amount of ignorance on this subject displayed here is staggering. It's one thing to see that from anonymous board posters, but it's embarrassing to watch the site owner put out such blatantly ignorant information.
"The fact that she self-identifies as a woman has nothing to do with it. It amazes me that someone could think it does."
Maybe, just maybe, this issue, which is fast gaining traction and support similar to other issues of minority rights, is a bit more complicated than 'hurr durr penis is literally all that matters to me.'
If it amazes you that other people are able to consider a subject beyond literally the most simplistic approach, maybe you shouldn't wear your ignorance as a badge of honor.
So everyone who doesn't go along with re-engineering society to cater to one individual's delusion... is some kind of bigot. Well everyone has a line they won't cross. Even the enlightened elites. Let's test it.
What if a grown man self-identifies as a 12 year old girl? Should he be allowed in the girls locker room in middle school? Anyone who says he shouldn't is a bigot, right?
What if someone self-identifies as the Principal of the school? Should they be given an office and a staff to manage?
What if I self-identify as a world class 800 meter runner? Shouldn't I be given a lane at the Olympics?
Where does it end? Liberals owe us an explanation.
YOU PEOPLE ARE FULL OF HATE. TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!! WE HAVE RIGHTS!!!! WE ARE ALLOWED TO USE LOCKER ROOMS!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE SOO CLOSED MINDED. THIS NATION IS CHANGING AND IF YOU CANNOT HANDLE THAT YOU NEED TO GTFO!!!!!!!!!! AND TAKE ALL THE POLICE WITH YOU. WE WILL LEAVE IN PEICE AND HARMONY THROUGH COMMUNAL LIVING
The IAAF will approve him for the women's 800 meters.
crete wrote:
Rojo, so you are saying there should be 2 locker rooms - one for people with XX chromosomes and one for XY and that's final?
But what then for the 1% of the population that have neither XX or XY genotype? Should we have a separate option for every possible intersex genotype, also?
No?
Then should we group people by phenotype? Eg if they look like a girl, then they use the girls?
Not really such a difficult issue. Anyone with a Y chromosome is male, and anyone without a Y chromosome is female. X, XXX, and XXXX individuals are phenotypically female, and XXY and XYY individuals are phenotypically male, so it's really just the presence of a Y chromosome that makes the distinction.
lol Republicans like rojo obsessed with other people's sexual/gender orientation and genitals. Get a grip man.
Rojo, what the hell difference does which genitals you have matter? Guys in my gym are more likely to get checked out by me in a locker room than if any females, transgender or not were there. People in locker rooms look...everyone else does. Does it mean you are attracted to it? No. I have seen guys in the locker room I have been very attracted to but refrained from hitting on them or molesting them. I agree out of courtesy the student should have used another bathroom if offered but don't so ignorant to make it about whether you have a penis or not.
rojo wrote:
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/protest-transgender-teen-bathroom/Isn't it common sense that if you have penis, you should have to a) use the men's bathroom. or b) the gender neutral bathroom that you were offered.
The fact that she self-identifies as a woman has nothing to do with it. It amazes me that someone could think it does. If society is so far advanced, then simply have one bathroom period. Personally, I've always found it weird that we have separate bathrooms at sporting events. It's not like I'm going to see your privates in a stall. But don't have a men's and women' s bathroom and then let people with penises use the women's bathroom.
Whose rights are being violated? By bending over backwards to the transgender person they are trampling on the rights of all of the girls that want to shower with people without penises.
What is his dna?
I self-identify as a surgeon. I demand to perform surgery on people, and anyone who refuses to submit is a BIGOT!
No one has the right to violate my right to self-identify as a surgeon. Got it? It's all about MY rights. You don't matter!!!
rojo wrote:
If society is so far advanced, then simply have one bathroom period.
If im at starbucks or whatever and the mens is occupied but the womens isnt, i go for the womens. Why hold up the potty pipeline, you know? Just keep it moving.
P.S. ladies rest assured, i do wipe my piss of the seat if any gets there.
DiscoGary wrote:
. W. H. I. N. E. Y. wrote:"Why is it that the public majority constantly is having to change and cater to the minority? How about gays, trannies or whatever the heck other things are out there just deal with it and accommodate to the established standards of society."
Well first things first, our entire system of government was literally designed to prevent the tyranny of the majority. And as "established standards of society" are constantly evolving, and often indefensible (this argument was also made to defend everything from slavery to subjugation of women), it is hardly a substantive reason for the continuation of something.
The amount of ignorance on this subject displayed here is staggering. It's one thing to see that from anonymous board posters, but it's embarrassing to watch the site owner put out such blatantly ignorant information.
"The fact that she self-identifies as a woman has nothing to do with it. It amazes me that someone could think it does."
Maybe, just maybe, this issue, which is fast gaining traction and support similar to other issues of minority rights, is a bit more complicated than 'hurr durr penis is literally all that matters to me.'
If it amazes you that other people are able to consider a subject beyond literally the most simplistic approach, maybe you shouldn't wear your ignorance as a badge of honor.
So everyone who doesn't go along with re-engineering society to cater to one individual's delusion... is some kind of bigot. Well everyone has a line they won't cross. Even the enlightened elites. Let's test it.
What if a grown man self-identifies as a 12 year old girl? Should he be allowed in the girls locker room in middle school? Anyone who says he shouldn't is a bigot, right?
What if someone self-identifies as the Principal of the school? Should they be given an office and a staff to manage?
What if I self-identify as a world class 800 meter runner? Shouldn't I be given a lane at the Olympics?
Where does it end? Liberals owe us an explanation.
Wow, it's almost as if you bring up completely unrelated absurdities, they sound absurd! How did that work out when you guys tried it with man on dog arguments in the marriage equality debate?
THE HATE MUST STOP wrote:
YOU PEOPLE ARE FULL OF HATE. TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!! WE HAVE RIGHTS!!!! WE ARE ALLOWED TO USE LOCKER ROOMS!!! YOU PEOPLE ARE SOO CLOSED MINDED. THIS NATION IS CHANGING AND IF YOU CANNOT HANDLE THAT YOU NEED TO GTFO!!!!!!!!!! AND TAKE ALL THE POLICE WITH YOU. WE WILL LEAVE IN PEICE AND HARMONY THROUGH COMMUNAL LIVING
Nobody said the its of the world can't use a locker room. Just use the one that you belong in. Not which one you want.
What's to stop a normal boy from pretending to be mixed up just to spy on nude teenage girls? All this transgender stuff is opening up the door for teenage girls to be sexually assaulted by boys who take advantage of it. I'd rather have a few mixed up people suffer than millions of teenage girls. The only solution is a special transgender locker room; which by the way, the school offered to build one for him and he said no I don't want it.