If poverty causes social ills, why aren't MD and PhD programs full of gang violence and unplanned pregnancy?

What residency program are you in where you only make 11K a year? An average program salary is mid-40s to 60K.

yourealldumb wrote:

notrichdoc wrote:

What you talking about dog? My PARENTS are upper middle class but are overextended with too many children. Ergo, I repeat, I do NOT get any money. My net worth is about -170,000 though. No house, nothing dog. Who financed my medical school cost of attendance? Moi.

Yes, that's why I have 200,00 in debt and the only equity I have is that in my ROTH IRA mutual funds, a pittance compared to the 200,000 debt.

Poor people shouldn't have kids that they can't afford.

What the hell. I already said that they were upper middle class in our non-CA, non-East coast/west coast state. Total household income averaged about 100,000 with one breadwinner.

But you have a lot of children then you can't pay for their education. College and graduate education are expensive you know.

We're all at least college-educated; many docs in our family too.

Am I complaining? No. Just stating facts. When finished with residency I'll be fine.

common wrote:

What residency program are you in where you only make 11K a year? An average program salary is mid-40s to 60K.

I never said I *made* 11k a year. I said I lived on 11k a year.

Our hospital covers health insurance which saves about 2,000 a year for me. The rest of my take home salary goes to loans and maxing out my ROTH IRA/401K.

yourealldumb wrote:

notrichdoc wrote:

What you talking about dog? My PARENTS are upper middle class but are overextended with too many children. Ergo, I repeat, I do NOT get any money. My net worth is about -170,000 though. No house, nothing dog. Who financed my medical school cost of attendance? Moi.

Yes, that's why I have 200,00 in debt and the only equity I have is that in my ROTH IRA mutual funds, a pittance compared to the 200,000 debt.

Poor people shouldn't have kids that they can't afford.

Since you are a troll or not the sharpest knife in the shed.

My family is very well-off financially since us Asians save about 35% or so of our income.

But with X kids going to medical school costing 35,000 a year x 4 years=family can't pay for our schooling.

And no, our parents are poor immigrants from VERY humble beginnings so don't call us old money. Just...stop posting.

notrichdoc wrote:

yourealldumb wrote:

Ah yes. The old I'm upper-middle class but I'm actually quite poor.

What you talking about dog? My PARENTS are upper middle class but are overextended with too many children. Ergo, I repeat, I do NOT get any money. My net worth is about -170,000 though. No house, nothing dog. Who financed my medical school cost of attendance? Moi.

Yes, that's why I have 200,00 in debt and the only equity I have is that in my ROTH IRA mutual funds, a pittance compared to the 200,000 debt.

So, you are claiming that your parents gave you exactly the same advantages and limitations overall as the typical ghetto parent living in poverty?

Perhaps you should let your parents know that.

Cause they weren't ensalved, discriminated against in the past, targetted by cops nowadays

exthrower wrote:

Poverty..Social ills....Excuses from liberals to mitigate the destructive, violent,evil behavior from certain groups....Liberals simply cannot accept reality...They have constructed a false reality and live within that construct..and they get very angry if you try to "pop that bubble".

So, you are claiming that your parents gave you exactly the same advantages and limitations overall as the typical ghetto parent living in poverty gives to their offspring?

Perhaps you should let your parents know that.

This one time, I farted in an elevator full of rich white people and the ensuing rush to evacuate when the door opened was very violent.

1/10 for the OP.

I would rate the post 0 but it got some responses and sparked a catfight, including a rich kid turned doctor who wants to pretend he had no advantages in life.

As an MD who is now working on a PhD part-time, I concur with the very first response. Most medical students are from well-off or outright rich families, and even if the balance in David and Jennifer's checking accounts aren't sky-high, they have a great quality of life throughout, funded by their families or the banks, who will issue endless low-interest loans and lines of credit to medical students. (After four years of med, then five in residency, plus fellowship and now teaching these kids on the wards, I am giving a firsthand account.) This is not a group that is selling drugs for money (unless they want the excitement) or getting pregnant because they can't afford birth control. Multiple vacations per year are common (limited by time off, not money), and most med students I've known partied and spent without limit.

Damn, you trolled me. 2/10.

exthrower wrote:

Poverty..Social ills....Excuses from liberals to mitigate the destructive, violent,evil behavior from certain groups....Liberals simply cannot accept reality...They have constructed a false reality and live within that construct...

Is that a Jesus quote?

The average PhD student has a $20k+ stipend. This is well over the poverty threshold.

The bigger reason though I'd that PhD and MD students have a light at the end of the tunnel. They live that way for a set number of years and then the quality of life should improve drastically. Even if you come out with a ton of loans that take 20 years to pay off you can look forward to putting your kids through college and a comfortable retirement.

If you're poor and don't have a way out, it's a completely different situation. Working full time at minimum wage nets you less money with no light at the end of the tunnel. Your life can seem hopeless.

Think about this: Imagine you finish you doctorate program and get a mediocre job that pays $52,000/yr. Your net might be in the ballpark of $3000/month. Let's say you racked up a ton of debt and you're paying $1000/month in loans. You still have $2000/month.

Someone working full time at minimum wage would GROSS $800 less than that per month. Chances are with a doctorate you're making more than $52k as well.

You might feel poor as a student, but you're making well over minimum wage and you have a comfortable life to look forward to. You're not as desperate. When you're stuck in poverty with no hope, your outlook on life is much different.

It was proven decades ago that there is no link between poverty and crime. Period. There IS a link between crime, violence and low intelligence. Period.

there are millions and millions and millions of men and women living in poverty all over the globe who DON'T :

1-break the law

2-engage in violence

3-use or sell drugs

4-have multiple children by multiple women

..anyone who claims poverty is why they do these 4 is using poverty as an excuse

My father grew up in an orphanage in the 1930s-40s - had nothing.

Never did these 4 acts.

Good behavior is possible no matter how little or how much money you have

MikeEM wrote:

there are millions and millions and millions of men and women living in poverty all over the globe who DON'T :

1-break the law

2-engage in violence

3-use or sell drugs

4-have multiple children by multiple women

..anyone who claims poverty is why they do these 4 is using poverty as an excuse

My father grew up in an orphanage in the 1930s-40s - had nothing.

Never did these 4 acts.

Good behavior is possible no matter how little or how much money you have

there are millions and millions of men and women living in poverty in the US who don't do these things either. so what is your point?

MikeEM wrote:

there are millions and millions and millions of men and women living in poverty all over the globe who DON'T :

1-break the law

2-engage in violence

3-use or sell drugs

4-have multiple children by multiple women

..anyone who claims poverty is why they do these 4 is using poverty as an excuse

My father grew up in an orphanage in the 1930s-40s - had nothing.

Never did these 4 acts.

Good behavior is possible no matter how little or how much money you have

oh gawd another anecdote monger please leave the simpleton logic at the door . . . I'm happy for you and your dad that he wasn't a murderous drug dealing rapist . . .

focus on telling us how you were a better athlete than Bo Jackson instead

exthrower wrote:

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

So, you are claiming that your parents gave you exactly the same advantages and limitations overall as the typical ghetto parent living in poverty gives to their offspring?

Perhaps you should let your parents know that.

Life is a stage....We all have different hardships and challenges...AA's have no tougher a life than any others(in general) There are a myriad of obstacles in life other than economic.....This is a big lie being spread by apologists to minimize their crime and destructive behavior.

7/10

As usual for exthrower

exthrower wrote:

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

So, you are claiming that your parents gave you exactly the same advantages and limitations overall as the typical ghetto parent living in poverty gives to their offspring?

Perhaps you should let your parents know that.

Life is a stage....We all have different hardships and challenges...AA's have no tougher a life than any others(in general) There are a myriad of obstacles in life other than economic.....This is a big lie being spread by apologists to minimize their crime and destructive behavior.

I see. Odd then that so many parents invest so much in their children when ultimately it makes no difference in their lives. Foolish parents - if only they knew.