New NASA study says the seas will rise at least three feet within 100 years, no matter what we do to fight global warmin

Neither Ptolemy Nor Copernicus wrote:

Sally V wrote:

Or to put it another way...shut up and don't scrutinize the "consensus" - the science has already been "settled." No need for anyone to question Global Warming. It is a fact. End of story. Never to be debated. Time to move on.

I bet it is very similar to what the Ptolemics were saying centuries ago.

As I said...

I would politely suggest that you have posted nothing indicating above average intelligence. Further, I would suggest that if you wish to play the role of the informed lay person that you would do well to in fact become informed. At least get to within shouting distance of Citizen Runner who (as far as he has represented himself here) is no more than an informed lay person on this topic.

I am no climate scientist. I AM an observer.

I have observed how the Earth has now warmed in almost 2 decades despite skyrocketing CO2 emissions.

I have observed how Climate "Scientists" have manipulated data.

I have observed the lies about the Earth's ice masses.

I have observed how contrarian scientists are denied grants and excluded from Climate Summits.

I have observed the incremental scaremongering of each successive IPCC report.

I have observed how adherents to the Global Warming religion keep citing "consensus." Has consensus ever been used for Theory of Relativity?

Global Warming is the greatest scientific hoax ever perpetrated. The adherents, I have observed, stridently attempt to quash any opposing viewpoint. It IS a religion.

Fat hurts wrote:

Sally V wrote:

Actually, the climate scientists are the ones looking ridiculous. Everything they predict has to be "modified" each successive year.

That's the way science works. As we learn more we get better and better at making predictions.

Sally V wrote:Have they ever predicted ANYTHING that proved to be accurate?

Yes, climate science continues to get more and more accurate in its predictions.

Sally V wrote: If they were a fledgling mlb prospect with a similar average, that player would never rise above A ball. Heck, he would be jettisoned from the team before the team bus ever made it back home!

You clearly don't know much about baseball either.

Actually, I do.

No, you don't just observe. You try to convince people that you have some secret knowledge that is being hidden from the public. "If everyone only knew what I know they would see it's all hoax!".

That makes you a conspiracy buff, not an observer.

A lie.

Another lie.

The only lies are your own.

But not because they are contrarians.

Another lie

Yes, relativity is the current consensus. That's why we learn about it in school.

I'm a Baptist. I never heard of anyone who considers Global Warming a religion. It's just science.

Neither Ptolemy Nor Copernicus wrote:

Sally V wrote:

Talking point followed by reference to over turned medieval science

As I said...

I would politely suggest that you have posted nothing indicating above average intelligence.

That depends upon what game Sally V is playing.

If scientific understanding were the objective, then most of his posts are irrelevancies or nonsense. He doesn't seem interested in engaging in scientific details so I doubt any true scientific curiosity on the topic. I'd also expect a true believer to engage.

If trolling is the objective, then he's kept the thread going. I don't know of an objective way to score trolling as the concept of acting like an idiot in order to get people to point out that one is acting like an idiot is something I find difficult to understand.

If he's consciously trying to spread doubt for political or other reasons by endlessly repeating talking points, then it has been shown to be an effective technique. A great many people are easily lead astray, particularly when they are being told something they'd like to believe. In this scenario he would be the "duper" rather than the "dupe", whether or not he's talking nonsense as long he helps keep his partisans comfortable in their ignorance.

So, in other words:

Did you ever notice how everybody thinks that they are a "pretty sharp person"? I don't know if I've ever met anyone who does not think they are intelligent.

Have you also noticed how so many "pretty sharp people" glorify their own ignorant opinions by declaring that those who disagree are following a "narrative (that) is dictated and governed by a doctrine that all must adhere to"? My guess is that this makes them feel pretty special but perhaps there are other motivations in some cases....In your case, I don't think so.

The data was manipulated. To call that a lie just shoots any shred of credibility you have to shreds. Nothing else you wrote is worthy of being read. Sorry but the truth.

Sally V wrote:

The data was manipulated. To call that a lie just shoots any shred of credibility you have to shreds. Nothing else you wrote is worthy of being read. Sorry but the truth.

Oh yes, the data was manipulated. Every climate scientist in every part of the world is in on it. It's a global scientific conspiracy.

Go back to the X-Files Mulder.

LEONARD SMALLS wrote:

.......or we could have NASA focus on space exploration, instead of climate propaganda bullsh&t..

Understanding our planet has been one of the core purposes of NASA since day one. NASA can do both climate research and space exploration.

Sally V wrote:

The Gallant Pig-Man wrote:

Yes, you can:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/12/rush-limbaugh/rush-limbaugh-says-barack-obama-turned-nasa-muslim/

Also, Obama has proposed increasing NASA's budget, while congressional republicans support cuts.:

http://www.universetoday.com/118691/obama-administration-proposes-18-5-budget-for-nasa-bolden/http://thehill.com/policy/finance/245585-nasa-warns-gop-on-cuts-to-space-programhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/04/30/proposed-massive-cuts-to-nasa-earth-science-budget-draw-protest/

Look at NASA's budget as a % of the federal budget. It has decreased dramatically under Obama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

Dramatically? It has merely continued on the downward trend that started in the early 90s, despite his recommendations.

fisky wrote:

Low-lying US states such as Florida are at risk of disappearing...

This scare mongering from the article gets everyone alarmed, but it's simply outrageously unsupported sky-is-falling rhetoric.

Three feet rise would make the Florida swamps more swampy, but it wouldn't have a cataclysmic effect on the rest of the state. Jacksonville Beach is 10 ft above sea level, for example. Orlando is 82 feet above sea level.

I can't tell if you are trolling or serious with this mind-numbingly stupid comment. All cities in the US are currently above mean sea level, but many still manage to get damage from storm surge. Take existing/historic damage from storm surge (and tsunamis) and increase the wave height by a meter, or 1.4 meters, which is the more common prediction. The ocean isn't flat like the track in the Bird Nest (trying to keep this topical), but it is wavy like Donald Trump's hair.

TheGreatPlantini wrote:

fisky wrote:

Low-lying US states such as Florida are at risk of disappearing...

I can't tell if you are trolling or serious with this mind-numbingly stupid comment. All cities in the US are currently above mean sea level, but many still manage to get damage from storm surge. Take existing/historic damage from storm surge (and tsunamis) and increase the wave height by a meter, or 1.4 meters, which is the more common prediction. The ocean isn't flat like the track in the Bird Nest (trying to keep this topical), but it is wavy like Donald Trump's hair.

The bold text above is a direct quote from the article. That's scare mongering. Florida is at no risk of disappearing.

This pro-AGW theory website has an interactive map that allows you to see how land is affected by changing the rise in sea level. Set it to three feet and look at a map of Florida.

That same website also adds that sea level has increased by 8 inches since 1880... 135 years. Only 8 inches.

Here's a link to a chart of sea level rise since 1992... the hottest two decades in history... averaging 1.2 inches per decade. That would be... let's see... 2100 take away 2015 equals 85 times 1.2 inches per decade equals 10.5 inches of sea level rise by 2100.

So if the hottest two decades in history can only generate a 1.2 inch/decade increase, you can understand why"Low lying states such as Florida are at risk of disappearing" ... is scare mongering, right?

Feel better now didums?

Don’t forget to get mum to tuck you into bed now.

Tunney wrote:

Feel better now didums?

Don’t forget to get mum to tuck you into bed now.

Great post!

fisky wrote:

Low-lying US states such as Florida are at risk of disappearing...

No worries, Donald Trump will have plenty of experience of building walls by then.

fisky wrote:

TheGreatPlantini wrote:

fisky wrote:

I can't tell if you are trolling or serious with this mind-numbingly stupid comment. All cities in the US are currently above mean sea level, but many still manage to get damage from storm surge. Take existing/historic damage from storm surge (and tsunamis) and increase the wave height by a meter, or 1.4 meters, which is the more common prediction. The ocean isn't flat like the track in the Bird Nest (trying to keep this topical), but it is wavy like Donald Trump's hair.

The bold text above is a direct quote from the article. That's scare mongering. Florida is at no risk of disappearing.

For what it's worth that statement appears to be the reporter's (mis)interpretation of the NASA briefing. It probably came from the statement "Sea level rise will affect the shape of our coastline, especially in low-lying states like Florida. It may entirely eliminate some Pacific island nations, and sea level rise will greatly impact major low-lying cities like Dahka, Bangladesh, Singapore, and Tokyo" in the introduction. What's a bit odd is that the OP linked to an article from an Indian news agency and one would think that sea level rise impacts in their neighbor Bangladesh would be more relevant than Florida.

Full briefing is here: