New NASA study says the seas will rise at least three feet within 100 years, no matter what we do to fight global warmin

Well, the poles are alreay melted, so where is the water coming from?

They are melted right? I mean thats what they told us by 2009 or something, its waaaay past that date. So no ice Im assuming.

Like Jesus, Al Gore himself will bear our sins by keeping his beach front palace so that no one else loses money on such an investment.

Because of jobs and freedom, it is absolutely imperative that we do nothing with this information.

And how many times have NASA and other supposedly legitimate climate scientists cried wolf before? Your ruse is up. No one believes you anymore.

Sally V wrote:

And how many times have NASA and other supposedly legitimate climate scientists cried wolf before? Your ruse is up. No one believes you anymore.

Yeah! The moon landing was a ruse, too! What kind of credentials do these NASA "scientists" have anyway? I demand a federal investigation and across-the-board funding cuts!

.......or we could have NASA focus on space exploration, instead of climate propaganda bullsh&t..

The Gallant Pig-Man wrote:

Sally V wrote:

And how many times have NASA and other supposedly legitimate climate scientists cried wolf before? Your ruse is up. No one believes you anymore.

Yeah! The moon landing was a ruse, too! What kind of credentials do these NASA "scientists" have anyway? I demand a federal investigation and across-the-board funding cuts!

Who was president when we first landed on the moon? Of course a republican president, Richard Nixon. Obama has gutted NASA's budget and has turned it into a political tool. Obama even wanted to turn NASA into a Muslim outreach program. LOL. You can't make this stuff up.

Low-lying US states such as Florida are at risk of disappearing...

This scare mongering from the article gets everyone alarmed, but it's simply outrageously unsupported sky-is-falling rhetoric.

Three feet rise would make the Florida swamps more swampy, but it wouldn't have a cataclysmic effect on the rest of the state. Jacksonville Beach is 10 ft above sea level, for example. Orlando is 82 feet above sea level.

melter wrote:

Well, the poles are alreay melted, so where is the water coming from?

They are melted right? I mean thats what they told us by 2009 or something, its waaaay past that date. So no ice Im assuming.

I can see where you got that line of thinking, but let me add a few pieces to round out the puzzle.

By poles, we need to specify the north pole / arctic ocean or Antarctica. Every year for several years now, the arctic ocean melts in the summer and freezes over in the winter. The reason why global water levels have not changed much since this started happening is because the whole volume of ice in the north arctic is already in the ocean.

Picture a glass of water with an ice cube in it. Let the ice cube melt and the water level will not change. That is because the total volume of H20 in the glass has not changed. The exact same thing happens in the arctic ocean.

This contrasts with Antarctica which is a continent which has massive amounts of water locked up as ice above sea level. When climatologists speak about global sea level rise, it is due to the potential permanent melting of significant amount of ice in Antarctica which then flows into the oceans.

To mimic this in our glass of water experiment we need to do the following. Fill a glass with water half way and mark the level. Chuck a couple of ice cubes into the glass and note the level. It will be higher since you have actually added matter to the glass.

Sally V wrote:

Obama even wanted to turn NASA into a Muslim outreach program. LOL. You can't make this stuff up.

Yes, you can:

Also, Obama has proposed increasing NASA's budget, while congressional republicans support cuts.:

melter wrote:

Well, the poles are alreay melted, so where is the water coming from?

They are melted right? I mean thats what they told us by 2009 or something, its waaaay past that date. So no ice Im assuming.

Are you really that stupid? Or is this just some kind of act?

1) "they told you"?!? Would that be Al Gore told you? Al Gore, the deniers' favorite red herring?

2) Ocean ice (that would be around the North Pole for folks like you) doesn't make a significant difference if it melts or does not melt.

3) Even Al Gore never predicted the land-based ice (that would be mostly around the South Pole and Greenland for folks like you) would have melted away any time soon.

Anyway, like I asked, are you really that stupid? Or perhaps you are just trying to make the science deniers look bad with your over-the-top stupidity.

fisky wrote:

Low-lying US states such as Florida are at risk of disappearing...

This scare mongering from the article gets everyone alarmed, but it's simply outrageously unsupported sky-is-falling rhetoric.

Three feet rise would make the Florida swamps more swampy, but it wouldn't have a cataclysmic effect on the rest of the state. Jacksonville Beach is 10 ft above sea level, for example. Orlando is 82 feet above sea level.

Exactly. Almost nothing would happen and it would be very easy to adjust to the minor changes that do happen.

If the sea levels will rise no matter what we do to fight global warming, then what is the point of all of these efforts to implement regulations/policies to fight and stop global warming? The esteemed scientific community of NASA says there is nothing we can do about it. I'll tell my grandkids to buy that ocean front property in AZ.

The fight against "global warming" is simply a liberal scheme to destroy Western economies, capitalism, and free markets.

Science is fun wrote:

fisky wrote:

This scare mongering from the article gets everyone alarmed, but it's simply outrageously unsupported sky-is-falling rhetoric.

Three feet rise would make the Florida swamps more swampy, but it wouldn't have a cataclysmic effect on the rest of the state. Jacksonville Beach is 10 ft above sea level, for example. Orlando is 82 feet above sea level.

Exactly. Almost nothing would happen and it would be very easy to adjust to the minor changes that do happen.

Sometimes it seems like it would be good idea to teach science in schools. But then, seeing folks like you, I have to doubt that you are, or ever were, even capable of learning. So what would be the point?

The Gallant Pig-Man wrote:

Sally V wrote:

Obama even wanted to turn NASA into a Muslim outreach program. LOL. You can't make this stuff up.

Yes, you can:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/12/rush-limbaugh/rush-limbaugh-says-barack-obama-turned-nasa-muslim/

Also, Obama has proposed increasing NASA's budget, while congressional republicans support cuts.:

http://www.universetoday.com/118691/obama-administration-proposes-18-5-budget-for-nasa-bolden/http://thehill.com/policy/finance/245585-nasa-warns-gop-on-cuts-to-space-programhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/04/30/proposed-massive-cuts-to-nasa-earth-science-budget-draw-protest/

Look at NASA's budget as a % of the federal budget. It has decreased dramatically under Obama.

According to the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Study, a project of the National Science Foundation, if all of the world's ice melted, the sea level would rise by 235 feet. NOVA, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting's science program, estimates that the melting of the Antarctic ice sheets alone would raise the oceans by 187 feet. One hundred seventy feet of this rise would be caused by the melting of the East Antarctic Ice Sheet while just 17 feet of this rise would be caused by melting of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. But the East Antarctic Ice Sheet is considered stable and not threatened by warming because it rests on land above sea level, making any significant sea level rise unlikely.9 The West Antarctic Ice Sheet, however, has attracted the attention of global warming theory proponents because it rests mostly below sea level where it is allegedly more sensitive to any global warming that may occur.10 The balance of scientific evidence suggests that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet isn't melting either.

To begin with, the Antarctic is extremely cold with a high average temperature of just -56°F. Even if the Antarctic temperatures did rise a few degrees, they wouldn't be high enough to melt the glaciers as the temperatures would still be well below - 87°F below - freezing. The latest GCMs predict warming of just 1-3°F by 2100, still leaving the Antarctic bitterly cold. Furthermore, the Antarctic ice sheet is very large, and thus it takes a long time for the ice sheet to respond to warming. For instance, it would take the West Antarctic Ice Sheet 50,000 years to react to any warming that may be occurring now - so the world is not in any imminent danger of a catastrophic flood.11

So what does the scientific evidence say about a human-induced shrinking of the Antarctic today?

In December 1998, an international team of scientists announced that after analyzing five years of satellite radar measurements, they concluded that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is not melting rapidly. The scientists determined that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has actually been stable for the last 100 years - precisely when global warming theory proponents insist human-induced warming should have been causing the glaciers to retreat. Dr. C.K Shum, an Ohio State University professor who participated in the study, said that while the team assumed that global warming was underway, they found no evidence that this purported warming was affecting the Antarctic ice sheet.12

In October 1998, the British Antarctic Survey also announced that it had found no evidence of global warming on the continent. The study noted that it did find 3-4°F of warming on the Antarctic Peninsula over the last 50 years, but that there was no evidence that this localized warming was the result of global warming. The scientists believed it more likely that the origins of the warming "could be found in regional mechanisms."

The survey also analyzed the behavior of two major ice shelves, the Ross and Filchner-Ronne shelves, for any retreat. Again, the study concluded that "it is no longer clear that the small warming that is predicted to result from anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases is likely to cause a retreat" of those ice shelves. On the more vulnerable West Antarctic Ice Sheet, scientists likewise concluded that the "dramatic vision of a rapid collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet resulting from atmospheric warming is becoming less acceptable."13

The Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, a scientific union of the Australian Antarctic Division, the Bureau of Meteorology, the Australian Geological Survey Organization, and the University of Tasmania, released a position statement in April 1997 announcing that it is "very unlikely" that the Antarctic ice sheet will melt enough to cause a significant rise in sea level. Even more interesting, the report stated that over the next one to two centuries, "it is probable that greater snowfall on Antarctica" will outweigh any loss of ice due to warmer ocean water - thus causing the Antarctic ice sheet to expand.14

The prospect that the Antarctic ice sheet is expanding was also noted by the British Antarctic Survey. The British scientists concluded that it is possible that the Antarctic expansion was actually counteracting a rise in sea level.15 Indeed, many other scientists have concluded that even if the world continues to get warmer, whether human-induced or naturally, the Antarctic ice sheet would grow because warming increases the amount of precipitation which leads to increased snowfall in the polar regions.

Indeed, it seems that historically the Antarctic glaciers have frequently expanded during warm conditions. A study by E.W. Domack, A.J.T. Jull and S. Nakao on the history of glacial expansions in Antarctica found that over the past 10,000 years, several glaciers expanded during conditions that were a lot warmer than today.

This uncomfortable fact has not escaped the attention of environmentalists, some of whom are now arguing that glacial expansion supports the global warming theory. Greenpeace's Climate Impacts Database now cites the Domack study in an effort to link the expansion of the Antarctic ice cap with man-made global warming. The summation of the study notes that "the new data suggest strongly that Antarctica's response to future warming will be an increase in mass balance."16 Of course, now they can't claim that the sea level is rising since expansion lowers the level. Nevertheless, environmental groups still make contradictory claims about apocalyptic sea level rises in their haste to mobilize public opinion to stop greenhouse gas emissions.

Sally V wrote:

Look at NASA's budget as a % of the federal budget. It has decreased dramatically under Obama.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

Did you even look at the figures?

As a % of the budget, NASA has gone from .57% to 0.50% under BHO.

Under GWB it went from 0.76% to 0.57%.

Clinton 1.01% to 0.75%

The trend has been downwards for the past 25 years.

Given that Antarctica holds 90% of the worlds glacial ice (30 million cubic Km) and the average temperature there is minus 57F (80 below freezing), it's safe to say that's not going to happen at all.

Even if the entire Greenland ice sheet (which averages -24F to -4F at the highest) were put under hot sunlamps it would take thousands of years to melt. Even the latest report (ACIA 2006) said that fringes of the Greenland ice sheet were losing 239 cubic km per year. (never mind that the interior is gaining that back) Even if that rate increased tenfold to 2390 km^3 per year it would take 1200 years for the ice in Greenland to melt and the sea level would rise 23 feet. That's not going to happen. 239 km^3 per year works out to 12,000 years. By that time we'll be in another ice age.

The math just doesn't add up. The science doesn't either. Any honest geophysicist will tell you that you can just melt 2.85 million km^3 (Greenland) or 30 million km^3 (Antarctica) of ice without an event on the scale that mankind couldn't possibly produce.

Meanwhile the Antarctic Ice sheet is actually expanding, and the latest 2 reports in 2005 said that the Greenland ice sheets are actually thickening, gaining back 80 km^3 per year in the interior.

Al Gore is an idiot. Global warming is a hysterical religious movement that distorts facts and labels those who disagree heretics