What would be a realistic men's 100m WR then?
What would be a realistic men's 100m WR then?
9.58. Bolt was a supreme talent from a young age and works extremely hard. Unless he has been doping since 15 his progression seems believable.
All the performances at this years champs have been realistic except for perhaps Dibaba's 1500m. Closing in 1:57 is akin to a male closing in 1:44/45. That said, the women's 800m has been lacking considering the performances in the 5000m/1500m and 400m.
Something else I don't get, is why does everyone think Farah is on drugs and is a dirty cheat but considers Bekele and Geb the GOATs? They both ran far more outrageous times than Farah. Bekele's 5000m WR is equivalent to 3.1 sub 4:05 miles back to back?!
Disagree
Some performances have not been realistic
Schippers performance has not been realistic
Tuka's performance has not been realistic
Gatlin's performance has not been realistic
Bolt's performances have not been realistic
Apparently no other athlete has been supremely talented from a young age and they don't work hard.
They are all talented, some more so than others. The current world champions happen to be the best of the best this year. Gatlin was on drugs 10 years ago but that doesn't mean he is doping now, or that he is as talented as Bolt. Times and performances move forward, Bolt hasn't been held back by people claiming something isn't possible because it hasn't been done before. His WR will go one day and eventually 9.5x will be the norm as training and nutrition and injury prevention improves.
Half of the thread sounds like TF&N message boards and the rest like the LR board that it is. Does the WC bring out the positivity?
I don't get it. wrote:
.... Gatlin was on drugs 10 years ago but that doesn't mean he is doping now, or that he is as talented as Bolt..
So, 10 years pass as if it was a couple of months for Gatlin. Uh huh... Right.
The world knows jadco was fictitious until recently and the sport is absolutely stacked with dopers.
And it's all perfectly natural... Riiiiight.
Yoyomama wrote:
Half of the thread sounds like TF&N message boards and the rest like the LR board that it is. Does the WC bring out the positivity?
it's the one guy pop _pop using different names
good lord wrote:
and they work incredibly hard.
Without getting injured or overtrained. You're right, it's not credible. It's one of the signs of doping.
coach... wrote:
Yoyomama wrote:Half of the thread sounds like TF&N message boards and the rest like the LR board that it is. Does the WC bring out the positivity?
it's the one guy pop _pop using different names
Nice try attempting to marginalize an opinion held by many.
I have no time for different name nonsense.
The sport has a major doping problem.
Of course 9.5 will be the norm. People will be designed in a lab with the aid of nanotechnology. Until then 9.5 will be out of reach for the next 100 years at least.
pop_pop! wrote:
Left Said Fred wrote:Right, you haven't a clue on this. The IAAF will send testers no matter your location. Kisorio and Jeptoo were both done in on out of comp tests in Kenya. Has no one told you that Jama Aden's group trains in Europe? Do you that's beyond the reach of anti-doping forces as well?
Not much testing in Kenya, on Kenyans by Kenyans, unless it's the IAAF.
Of course it's being done by the IAAF. They pay for testers from South Africa to zip up to Kenya and Ethiopia to collect.
coach... wrote:
Yoyomama wrote:Half of the thread sounds like TF&N message boards and the rest like the LR board that it is. Does the WC bring out the positivity?
it's the one guy pop _pop using different names
Btw, tough guy,
Let's imagine your kid turns out to be international elite. When do you start doping her? Because she's doomed to little more than 5-10, national level on a great day.
Is doping still all good? If it is, then you would be required to dope your kid for results. You are good, right?
pop_pop! wrote:
No, not really. Read the rules. Doping is permitted. Just not enough to kill you for most athletes. For some like Bolt who the IAAF clearly feel is the face of the sport, it's a free-for-all. .
OH, I get it, we have a good old-fashioned conspiracy theorist on our hands.
D'ya figure out what REALLY happened on 9/11 yet, and who was behind it? Fill us in, we'd love to know.
Doping isn't permitted, it's just really hard to catch the best dopers. There's no conspiracy that's allowing the most marketable athletes to dope and still compete. Maybe Bolt is an exception, because I seriously doubt that they would bust him now that he's literally larger than sport. If they didn't catch him on anything pre 2008, I seriously doubt that they would ever have busted him post 2009. They would at least turn a blind eye until it was absolutely positive that he was doped to hell with all sorts of stuff. My theory is that he's just on something undetectable at this moment. Gatlin also.
Anyone working in pharmacy will tell you that it's possible to design athlete-specific drugs that will go undetected in most tests. It's just expensive to do so. It's not out of the question that lucrative sponsorship deals are financing some of it.
But I don't think that everyone in these champs is doping, but a lot of the top results are suspicious to say the least. Either that or Mondo has cooked up a ridiculously fast track. Probably both.
The most suspicious athlete to me is Dafne Schippers. Her power in the last 50m of her 21.63 was something else. Allyson Felix has more natural talent in my opinion and even she wouldn't be able to live with that sort of pace.
Anyway, I'm from a small European country (it's in my name) where pretty much everyone knows everyone and rumors fly like the wind. Yes, it's impossible to tell who's really doping unless you live 24/7 with someone, but my estimate is that at least 25% of athletes take stuff that's not necessarily banned, but dubious at best.
Our clean athletes either fade into obscurity when their natural talent doesn't translate into senior success or they start to think about doping when they repeatedly get their ass handed to them in major competitions. Luckily I'm one of the former. But I do believe that some people have supreme talent that carries them to global success and that the authorities are doing their best to keep the sport clean. Some people just fly under the radar and will hopefully get caught when the testing methods catch up. That's why it's important to store older samples.
Like one poster mentioned
"bet there life that athlete aint doped"
In general or medalists at worlds
polish throwers up there , but cant commit.
Greg Rutherford was athlete and agree
But there is a but ,with such an amazing
peptide like igf-1 just dont know.
Some might bet life on Jessica ennis
but no chance when look that a speed based heptahlete ,hurdle and long jump suggest this peptide as does fact
Easily replicated in thompson and peptide
in many camps in uk.
eaton the same not a chance .
as for every finalist in mens nd womens
100/200m finals 100% not a chance
what about Nick Willis ........
Gud reputation newzealander
looking at what peptide doing for speed
for many guys in middle distance
like farah etc definitly not betting here either .likely clean but not betting life.
You write like a fcking moron.
Do you come with a translator!
"Doping isn't permitted, it's just really hard to catch the best dopers. There's no conspiracy that's allowing the most marketable athletes to dope and still compete. Maybe Bolt is an exception, because I seriously doubt that they would bust him now that he's literally larger than sport. If they didn't catch him on anything pre 2008, I seriously doubt that they would ever have busted him post 2009. They would at least turn a blind eye until it was absolutely positive that he was doped to hell with all sorts of stuff. My theory is that he's just on something undetectable at this moment. Gatlin also."
Then why is Bolt slower now than he used to be? Look at his carer arc - super promising teenager, then world record setter, and now he is still fast, but not as fast as when in his prime. I understand that this is not proof that he isn't doping, but that seems like a pretty natural progression.
IggySlovenia wrote:
Anyone working in pharmacy will tell you that it's possible to design athlete-specific drugs that will go undetected in most tests. It's just expensive to do so.
False. If broke-ass national level bike racers can afford a doping program, then an arguably bigger sport like T&F has athletes that can afford a simple, effective doping program.
Maybe you need to check out Hajo Seppelt's stories. The federation is permitting doping.
Re Bolt: Jamaica was doping and testing them before they left to never test positive and calling it "anti-doping." When the former head of the sport publicly states that Bolt is never testing positive, what other indicator do you need doping is permitted?
exthrower wrote:
I don't get it. wrote:9.58. Bolt was a supreme talent from a young age and works extremely hard. Unless he has been doping since 15 his progression seems believable.
All the performances at this years champs have been realistic except for perhaps Dibaba's 1500m. Closing in 1:57 is akin to a male closing in 1:44/45. That said, the women's 800m has been lacking considering the performances in the 5000m/1500m and 400m.
Something else I don't get, is why does everyone think Farah is on drugs and is a dirty cheat but considers Bekele and Geb the GOATs? They both ran far more outrageous times than Farah. Bekele's 5000m WR is equivalent to 3.1 sub 4:05 miles back to back?!
Take a look at the deltoids on Bolt...No runner has delts like that without drugs....
Look at Nickel Ashmeade's delts, and the zits on him close up. lol The only way lateral delts 'pop' is from drug use. Period. Any bodybuilder can tell you that. Look at Merritt in the 400, a walking joke if ever there was one.
The comment about Geb and KB is correct. Both are poster boys for drug use. Period. Most of the E. Africans and other nations are currently allowed cheat like mad, they're never tested out of season, out of competition. It will remain that way for a long time. And sprinters in the US will remain a protected species by our own federations. They have to really foul up to be exposed and punished. And even then, if possible, the powers that be will try to help them out. The light punishment doled out to Gay and L. Merritt bear this out. A sprinter in the US has to be in a totally screwed up situation a la Gatlin's back in the day to be put in the stocks.
It's likely the whole AlSal mess was cooked up by Epstein and crew as a preemptive strike to cut off valid questions about the Africans and other anointed peoples at the WC's. Dibaba's finish in the 1500, along with some of those chasing her, was a joke. Had runners of a different stripe done the same, the accusations would be front and center. But guys like Epstein and crew have a certain poltical bent and and agenda that goes hand in hand with many things outside of sports that are all part of social conditioning.