Radcliffe possibly being outed as one of the doping British athletes

your a moran wrote:

puddingmonster wrote:

There is a link to this thread on the front page of letsrun. That should tell you all you need to know.

That you think that an automatically generated link means anything tells us all about you.

It's not auto-generated. It's in the news section on the front page.

In fact, it's a sub-bullet under the bullet point: "Top British Star Gave Three Blood Values That Had A 1,000-1 Chance Of Being Clean"

Of course, the brojos may not know who it is either. But if you believe they do, the link says it all.

Not Christine wrote:

Nor does she train at altitude

Yes she does:

Potchefstroom. 1,350 m (4,430 ft).

JFGI.

Can someone with access to the article copy and print it here? I can't read it without a subscription,

In fact 3 minutes faster, faster than two probed dopers Shobukhova y Jeptoo

Miss Marple wrote:

Maybe the strongest hint that it's Radcliffe is that the follow up article today featuring various British stars calling for tougher testing doesn't contain a quote from her at all.

So it begins.

Maybe we'll see other Brojo's favorite athletes get caught: Solinsky, Jager, True, German Fernandez, etc.

Higher and Higher wrote:

Not Christine wrote:

Nor does she train at altitude

Yes she does:

Potchefstroom. 1,350 m (4,430 ft).

JFGI.

Anything below 6,000 feet would not be considered altitude training.

Now a Coach wrote:

Higher and Higher wrote:

Yes she does:

Potchefstroom. 1,350 m (4,430 ft).

JFGI.

Anything below 6,000 feet would not be considered altitude training.

There's also the dehydration excuse. Could a 400 or even 1500 runner legitimately claim dehydration threw off test results after a race?

That doesn't fit what Kimmage said in the interview. She's never been perceived as cleaner than clean and she's not one of britains real T&F stars (there aren't many of them). Also how could she claim dehydration after a 400m?

As a Brit I'd also forgotten all about Kelly, she's not really close to being as famous as Paula. Sadly Paula is the only one that fits everything.

The quote about Lance Armstrong could be taken as a protestation of innocence. In other words, "I'm not a Lance Armstrong case where this is a smoking gun."

I think we need full transparency now to understand exactly what the tests do and don't mean.

If it turns out to be Paula, that would make her the most vocal doping hypocrite in history (IF she gets pegged). Paula is buddies with Coe, so this would be a knock against him at least somewhat. Meanwhile, tough times for Bubka- Ukraine looks dirty as hell, and he is head of the National Olympic Commitee. Advantage Coe, but the drama has just begun....

Miss Marple wrote:

Maybe the strongest hint that it's Radcliffe is that the follow up article today featuring various British stars calling for tougher testing doesn't contain a quote from her at all.

This.

I've put my money on Kelly Holmes; I have never met anyone who believes her 2004 Olympic 1500m victory wasn't chemically enhanced. Prior to 2004, Kelly's pedigree was mostly Commonwealth and European Champ medals. In the twilight of her career and having never won an Olympic medal, what clean athlete would have the confidence to do arguably the most difficult double in T&F and knowing you are going up against doped up Russian, Spanish, Turkish and North African athletes. Kelly was a speed-based 800/1500 type, who you figure if the rounds don't kill her, perhaps she might have a shot at a medal in a tactical race. Kelly wins the race in 3:57x, sets a PR and made it look relatively easy. Also, she did this with a 1:56 800m PR in her legs from earlier in the week. Everything about Kelly's biomechanics said 400/800 and perhaps a good 1500 based on talent, but not great as in Olympic Champion. In the Athens's 1500m, Kelly looked like those Turkish girls from a couple of years ago, who would appear to be working so hard on the 3rd lap, that you expected them to fade, but they would suddenly pull endurance from out of nowhere and pass everyone.

With that said, I think nearly all of the women in that Athens 1500m final were dopers; how often does a very good clean athlete beat an entire field of very good dopers? Nearly all of the top female middle distance runners from the late 90s to mid-2000s were dirty. During that time, every year you would have a slew of women with no pedigree at the junior level, pop up, run fast for 2-3 years and disappear for some unknown reason. They would run sub-4s for 2-3 years, followed by a year of not being able to break 4:05 and unceremoniously retire, which was smart because quite a few of them that tried to stick around, got busted. I can't believe all of the other athletes were dirty, Kelly beat them, but she was clean. Btw, Kelly's 1500m performance was so out of character that when ever elites from that area discuss great middle distance runners, they almost never mention Kelly Holmes.

reer wrote:

Kelly Holmes? I wouldn't be surprised if it was her.

Exactly. Dirty as hell, but such a model for the Lords of PC lol.

If you changed the gender in your post, you could be talking about Farah.

One of MANY doped british athletes.paula radcliffe and kelly holmes would be just the tip of the iceberg,there.In the early 1990's the 10'000 metre runner,elizabeth mccolgan said british athletics was riddled with drugs,and that the athletes must have had friends in high places,protecting them.The americans and brits must pay a lot of hush money,to keep the positive tests quiet.

As is often the case, I agree with TrackCoach. I appreciated the post, as well, because it sent me back to look at a video of those two races. They were both pretty incredible finishes on the part of Holmes--remarkable for even an all time great.

One thing that I didn't remember, even though its only 11 years ago, (and I usually pay close attention to female anatomy) are the physiques of those running the 800/1500. They look like they are enhancing their performance with more than EPO.

Of course, I know its perfectly possible for an athletic women to be really naturally chiseled, but usually when looking at 1500 meter runners, I think my odds against beating them in arm-wrestling are pretty good. Not these women.

Maybe we have made some progress in drug testing after all.

Get your facts right, Kelly ran 1.56 in 1995 and ran there or thereabouts 1.56/57/58 for the best part of ten years. Her physique was as muscular when she came on the scene as when she left. Her times were not earth shattering (unlike others) and she won in an era where the 800 and the 1500 were wide open. It's not her.

I recently watched the 2007 world champs 5k race and Farah deployed identical tactics to what he uses today, but he just didn't have the kick which destroys everyone today.

You lot are cretins. Not one knows hence wild guesses and everyone trying to be a smart ass. Hey why not name all the usa cheats first?