At what age do women start appreciating guys for more than whether they are "fun" or not?

Again chill and stop being so critical of others. Money isn't real. It is a means to happiness. What is the point of busting your butt 16 hours a day if you can't enjoy life. I would rather spend 6 hours working then go surfing, workout, socialize, learn guitar, learn a language, make dinner for my girlfriend etc. and drive my 2004 toyota than bust my butt 12 hours a day and go home grumpy to a big empty home and 2015 lexus....Perhaps your lack of being a well rounded chill fun person is what is turning the girls off...

busting my arse wrote:

than waste my money going out drinking every night and then have nothing to show for it. I would rather work extra when needed and get that promotion (which I've gotten several times) than bust out early just to watch a few extra hours of TV.

It's hilarious that this is what you think people other than workaholics do. "nothing to show for it"...besides those women you want.[/quote]

I have plenty of success on the short game. That's not the problem. The problem is finding a girl who isn't shortsighted who appreciates someone with long term goals.

It's hilarious to me your lack of reading comprehension and poor reasoning ability. You're likely one of the losers I'm talking about.[/quote]

Well said TAA,So you rank money and career over someone you enjoy being with and can have fun with? no wonder you got dumped...

busting my arse wrote:

TAA wrote:

Yah because finding a man she enjoys being around is SOOO shortsighted. It's such a shock that you can't keep a woman. You're obviously not going to listen. I'm out

I've already explained why liking a guy purely for entertainment is unwise, even though I think it should be common sense. Clearly you're an incredible dunce.

I'm betting you're a real winner. Your kids will probably love having a father unable to provide for them.

I feel sad for you the more I read your posts :-(Someone once told me that the most dangerous risk in life is not living it to it's fullest and chasing money and career on the bet you can buy freedom later.

Haha being a great listener is why people like you so much eh? Yet you don't listen to anything anyone is telling you here and continue to insult us...

You don't know me. Being a great listener is precisely why so many people like me. I've been told that numerous times. If you understood anything that's been written you wouldn't make such ignorant proclamations.[/quote]

A man's wealth in women lies in his game. And you my friend are a brokeass byafch in this area, no matter your income or PRs.

busting my arse wrote:

I'm betting you're a real winner. Your kids will probably love having a father unable to provide for them.

Jamin joined the party with his wisdom on women - lovin' it.

Anyways to the OP: go out and chase that career, the next promotion and higher pay check. Bust your *ss working 12+ hours a day so your boss can pat you on the back, and you fulfill your dream becoming the beta provider to your future wife, and a so called great role model to your children.

Report back to us in a couple of years when she divorces you and takes your children away.

Meanwhile I am hooking up with young chicks, those that want some fun, enjoying life and my hobbies... work? Maximum 7 hours/day.

The OP's post basically reads like "wahhhh, I have a good job, why don't women like me? Wahhh!" well there's one reason. You expect attention from women to come automatically. But why? Because you "saved the day for your company". Oh yeah, that'll get her stirred up. Nothing turns a woman on like spreadsheet organization. You say you've been gaining life experience. It doesn't sound like it. It sounds like you've been keeping your nose down at your job and expecting money to bring you answers and happiness. You know what? That attitude makes for boring people, and that's why women arent interested. By all means take care of your business, but understand that one day you will be circling the drain wishing you had done something interesting with your life. Man, being fun doesn't mean getting drunk at bars. What a sad outlook. Go handgliding, write a novel, build a canoe, pick her up in a limo, be spontaneous and interesting for chrissake.

I think something here is amiss. There are tons of guys that care way more about their careers than women and bang many hot girls that wish they could tie him down.

OP, are you sure you aren't getting needy with these girls? Remember the girl ties you down, the other way around is massively unattractive

This is how you describe talking to the women you want to be with? And you can't figure out why they don't want to be around you? I'm just trying to understand the situation.

busting my arse wrote:

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

I'll bet some people got the mistaken impression that you're not a good listener from your comment:

"My issue is that even when I explain the above to girls, they still think I should be spending hours every single day with them just doing such trivial things as listening to them gab for literally hours."

So according to you and others here, the only way to be a good listener and/or in a relationship is to sit quietly for 2+ hours every single night as your s/o talks non-stop about nothing significant 99% of the time. You've disqualified yourself from being taken seriously and have proven yourself to be a loser. No successful or interesting person would waste so much time doing something so meaningless, and that goes for guys and girls. Apparently you've never been with anyone who isn't an airhead.

troll post

Well you got a lot of response, but you showed yourself here.

"busting my arse wrote:My issue is that even when I explain the above to girls, they still think I should be spending hours every single day with them just doing such trivial things as listening to them gab for literally hours. These girls also tend to work at coffee shops or in retail, which isn't surprising to me. While there are driven women out there, they are by no means the norm."

C'mon dude we know you're just posting for responses.

Be patient - it will happen soon.

And then she will cheat on you or divorce you.

You need to find a woman who shares the same values that you do. I met a woman right out of college and we started dating despite extremely busy lives (50-60 hour work weeks for her, 40 hour weeks for me plus school, and both training hard). We got more and more serious and were always busy, but we understood each other's motivation and respected each other for it. Fast forward six years and we're married now. I'm still insanely busy (grad school plus work) and she works both a part time and a full time job. We both still train. We don't even have big money to mollify us for the effort; she works in non-profit law and my studies won't pay financial dividends until I complete my PhD. But my point is, our relationship works in part because we have similar values. A person who doesn't value hard work in themselves isn't going to value it in others except as a meal ticket, and those attitudes don't shift magically at 30. So don't wait for women to wise up and mature; go out and find driven, hardworking women.

jamin wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

I only read the first page of this thread, but OP, you seem to think that you are better than people. .

You needed to read the thread to figure that out? You must be new to this forum. Everyone here has an outward superiority complex to try and mask their inner inferiority complex.

Dead on, man. This brought to mind the Jungian archetypes (anima/animus, shadow, Self): "every personification of the unconscious - the shadow, the anima, the animus, and the Self - has both a light and a dark aspect....the anima and animus have dual aspects: They can bring life-giving development and creativeness to the personality, or they can cause petrification and physical death."

Dude, you missed the boat already. Assuming you went to college, your best bet for finding a marriageable spouse who generally shares your values was while you were in school, or (re-)connecting with a classmate relatively soon after you graduated. Your next shot is grad school, if you're planning to go. If not, you're probably out of luck. Of course, from the tenor and content of your post, you were probably doomed from the start. Life is about more than work and "connections". The sooner you recognize that, the better. Good luck...I think you're going to need it.

Your beliefs form and shape your experiences. They limit the events that will be probable for you. If you hold limiting beliefs about women, then that's what you'll keep experiencing over and over. Go within, find out all your limiting beliefs and toss them in your mental trash, and you'll see your experiences start to change.

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

This is how you describe talking to the women you want to be with? And you can't figure out why they don't want to be around you? I'm just trying to understand the situation.

busting my arse wrote:

So according to you and others here, the only way to be a good listener and/or in a relationship is to sit quietly for 2+ hours every single night as your s/o talks non-stop about nothing significant 99% of the time. You've disqualified yourself from being taken seriously and have proven yourself to be a loser. No successful or interesting person would waste so much time doing something so meaningless, and that goes for guys and girls. Apparently you've never been with anyone who isn't an airhead.

You understand the situation well.

Ghhjhhh wrote:

I think something here is amiss. There are tons of guys that care way more about their careers than women and bang many hot girls that wish they could tie him down.

OP, are you sure you aren't getting needy with these girls? Remember the girl ties you down, the other way around is massively unattractive

He's not making crazy-mad money. Otherwise he'd have the golddiggers after him. He's been promised more money than he's ever imagined just like every other thousandaire and their IPO shares.

To be fair to our whiner with no game, he's probably doing okay money-wise.

K/R selection is correct. Find a girl who is more K selected. Smarter girls have more future time orientation (weight the future relatively more and the pass relatively less). As a result, they will be impressed by things like drive and ambition. However, you will still need game. The intellectual level where women are interested in the future, has, however, increased. Basically, a smart girl from and Ivy league or equivalent.