Why do we not have lifetime bans?

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8 years ago 07/02/2015 8:48am EDT

re: clean sport

I think you would exasperate the problem if you had a lifetime ban for the first offense.

It's already very difficult to catch these people and know who is doing what.

They would be even more invested in covering it up of they were subjected to lifetime bans.

The NFL has a 4 game ban for what track gives a 2 year ban for.

We probably know more about football PED use because of this.

I think a one month ban, in July of the next season would work.

They'd miss a lot of money that month.

And they would be outed and shamed.

But we'd have a better idea of who is juicing.

A lifetime ban won't change their habits and won't help us learn anything new.

8 years ago 07/02/2015 9:27am EDT

re: Think, man!

Think, man! wrote:
clean sport wrote:
Does that adequately answer your condescending question?
No, it doesn't. So you only want to ban those who make money off cheating? People like you cheat on their taxes, on their jobs, on their purchases, etc. do they deserve lifetime bans?

I'm big on analogies, but the OP, or anyone making an argument, is not obligated to have thought of and addressed every POSSIBLE analogous situation. Other situations might be analogous but not identical. Or perhaps they're identical, but different rules, policies, laws, views, cultures, etc., etc. guide/influence their (differential) treatment.

A cheating successful T&F athlete is taking money and opportunities - and potentially A LOT of both - out of the hands of a VERY small, perfectly identifiable group of colleagues. That is undeniable. Considering what Regina Jacobs took away from Suzy Hamilton is the best - and awfully strong - example that comes to mind (money, titles, publicity, other opportunities). One either agrees or disagrees that such cheating deserves (IF it can be sufficiently proven, of course) a small, medium, or large penalty. None of this changed by throwing up a million analogies.

8 years ago 07/02/2015 2:45pm EDT

re: clean sport

why don't we just issue the death penalty if we are so serious about clean sport?

8 years ago 07/02/2015 2:48pm EDT

re: clean sport

We do:

Coaches Chuck Dubus and Trevor Graham have lifetime bans.

8 years ago 07/02/2015 3:04pm EDT

re: clean sport

Süreyya Ayhan, Roberto Barbi, Randy Barnes, María Cristina Betancourt, Lyudmyla Blonska, Lada Chernova. Vivian Chukwuemeka, Tony Dees, Gábor Dobos, Corina Dumbrăvean, Paul Edwards, Ridouane Es-Saadi, Milan Haborák, Claus Hirsbro, Ben Johnson, Vladimir Kanaykin, Vladimir Kanaykin, Irina Korzhanenko, Elmar Lichtenegger, Andrei Mikhnevich, Sergey Morozov, Steve Mullings, Tezzhan Naimova, Aham Okeke, Vita Pavlysh, Vladyslav Piskunov, Darya Pizhankova, Hristos Polihroniou, Iva Prandzheva, Mounira Al-Saleh, Ray Stewart, Cheryl Thibedeau, Binnaz Uslu, innis Viviers, Igor Yerokhin and Jerome Young are serving lifetime bans for doping.

(Life bans sounds a bit drastic).

8 years ago 07/02/2015 3:08pm EDT

re: Randy Oldman

I accidentally gave race-walker Vladimir Kanaykin two life bans

8 years ago 07/02/2015 8:09pm EDT

re: clean sport

Because no one has ever been Grounded for life by their parents

8 years ago 07/02/2015 8:26pm EDT

re: Wow, a "thinker"

Wow, a "thinker" wrote:
Think, man! wrote:
No, it doesn't. So you only want to ban those who make money off cheating? People like you cheat on their taxes, on their jobs, on their purchases, etc. do they deserve lifetime bans?
I'm big on analogies, but the OP, or anyone making an argument, is not obligated to have thought of and addressed every POSSIBLE analogous situation. Other situations might be analogous but not identical. Or perhaps they're identical, but different rules, policies, laws, views, cultures, etc., etc. guide/influence their (differential) treatment.
A cheating successful T&F athlete is taking money and opportunities - and potentially A LOT of both - out of the hands of a VERY small, perfectly identifiable group of colleagues. That is undeniable. Considering what Regina Jacobs took away from Suzy Hamilton is the best - and awfully strong - example that comes to mind (money, titles, publicity, other opportunities). One either agrees or disagrees that such cheating deserves (IF it can be sufficiently proven, of course) a small, medium, or large penalty. None of this changed by throwing up a million analogies.

All of the "cheaters" the poster mentioned also take money out of the hands of others.

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