"People have been threatened at this meet" - Kara Goucher

Lenny the PR shill wrote:

Lenny, you don't get how the WADA/USADA system works. Investigation. Interviews. Bans. Spirit of sport. Drug violations of any kind. Health of athletes.

Except, USADA has not authority to ban anyone. USADA's Armstrong ban was a recommendation. The UCI reluctantly agreed.

USATF/IAAF, I'm not sure which, would have to consent to a ban.

And here we go again. It's a He-said/She-said rehash of innuendo headlining Let's Run instead of track results!

You couldn't lead with a quote from one of the weekend's winners?

runDirtyrun wrote:

Lenny the PR shill wrote:

Lenny, you don't get how the WADA/USADA system works. Investigation. Interviews. Bans. Spirit of sport. Drug violations of any kind. Health of athletes.

Except, USADA has not authority to ban anyone. USADA's Armstrong ban was a recommendation. The UCI reluctantly agreed.

USATF/IAAF, I'm not sure which, would have to consent to a ban.

Of course. I would love to see USATF/IAAF disagree and not impose bans on Salazar and his top players. That would cause of full house-cleaning of the management at USATF: Hightower would be gone, and kill her shot at the IAAF. Eventually, the bans would be imposed on Salazar and pals.

If she came out with everything already, then it would appear that there is not going to be much of a case. I am not being impatient, I said let's see about her response. In fact, I would rather wait for USADA/WADA to come out with their findings once they have them. Kara or other people saying things at the US champs like 'people being threatened' without elaboration is both reckless and impatient. It is asking for public sympathy immediately from fans. That is impatient and characterizing things in the media a certain way to fit her story. If someone can't see that then they are blind. Finally, the allegations of doping are serious requiring more than a hand-written prescription, a conversation with Galen before his AR, and other heresay arguments. What has been presented by Kara to make you think Galen or Alberto did dope, especially after the response by Alberto. Also, she has yet to exclaim her TUEs or list of supplements. Why is that expected of others and not her, Adam, or anyone else making accusations?

Where have I called her attention whore? Washed up? I am not sure, but her recent results indicate she is on the downward trend in terms of being relevant. In terms of defaming Adam or Kara, where have I done that. I can't certainly be responsible for others who post and if our commonality is we both think she is lying or exaggerating things, that is a very tacit link. So yes, the standard applies to all parties, so let us apply it equally and have Kara be as descriptive as Alberto and Galen are expected to be.

runDirtyrun wrote:

Lenny the PR shill wrote:

Lenny, you don't get how the WADA/USADA system works. Investigation. Interviews. Bans. Spirit of sport. Drug violations of any kind. Health of athletes.

Except, USADA has not authority to ban anyone. USADA's Armstrong ban was a recommendation. The UCI reluctantly agreed.

USATF/IAAF, I'm not sure which, would have to consent to a ban.

Umm, Google "USADA sanction" and you'll find out that usada does indeed ban athletes. USATF wants nothing to do with drug testing or bans.

KMB wrote:Kara was given the bottle with Salazar's handwriting on it in March 2011.

By the way, Kara is NOT definitively on the record as having declared she received the bottle or pills in March. If you go back and re-read the relevant passages in the ProPublica story you will see this part is left vague. The inference is made that Salazar told her to get pills from Rupp, but it remains only an inference.

I pointed this out to rojo a week or so back in a previous thread, and asked him to get Epstein and Goucher to clarify this, but this did not get addressed in their rebuttal to Salazar. They only stuck in the vague statement that Salazar was 'using Daegu to cover up Boston'.

We still don't know exactly from whom Kara says she got the Cytomel. Or how. Or when. We know Salazar's version of events. Not Kara's.

Possibly she will be more specific in the coming days....I'd love her to attach some names/dates/times to her narrative about the pills.

The truth is not always what prevails. Ask any well seasoned lawyer or better yet, and cop who's been around.

How many of you have been accused of something, maybe gossip or a rumor from Jr. High , High School or even at work, that was totally false?

What did you notice? The truth?

I had that happen to me in high school, and I can tell you if I was good looking, I would never have been accused. My friend who was the guy all the girls liked due to his looks yelled something out a car window. I was in the car. Days later I was called to the Vice Principal's office and was not asked anything, just told, I was a horrible and mean person and I was to have detention. To not be snitch I took the detention. The girl was told the truth, and she just shrugged and said "oh well, --- is a hunk, --- is a skinny idiot, his problem.."

Not much to say when someone knows you are innocent and still goes forward blaming you just because they may not like you.

I personally hope the truth comes out in all of this, and hope all the runners involved can get some satisfaction. I hope Alberto is clean, for track and field's sake. It does not look good, but I don't want to be like that horrible girl who accused the skinny ugly kid from the poor family just because she didn't want to ruin her chances of going out with the guy who called her a name.

She has said on more than one occasion, in fact twice in the past four or five days, that she has more to tell.

Which you want posted online hours ago.

Then feel free to tune her out.

How is it "impatient" on Kara's part to say what she did? At worst you can accuse her of teasing you.

Kara going into detail about these threats on camera while still on-site at the championships, and in the immediate aftermath of her race, would have been far less wise than composing her thoughts and expanding on her statement a few days later, as she said she would. Or does that somehow strike you as implausible?

Can't see what? (That's not a joke.)

Salazar's writing on a pill bottle doesn't constitute a prescription.

You need to proofread your posts in order to make them intelligible.

Everything you just wrote signifies that which you claim not to harbor: garden-variety impatience.

I didn't say that you did. But in complaining that she fired the first shot, you appear to be excusing those who have done so, repeatedly and viciously.

"Are expected to be" -- right. Since you brought it up, why isn't anyone mentioning that Salazar posting his thoughts on a Web site rather than talking to a reporter (or at least following up the former with the latter) is an act of sheer cowardice? Anyone can use a static Web page as a bully pulpit.

Imagine that to this point, Magness, the Gouchers, Stiner and the rest of Salazar's accusers had posted all of their suspicions on their personal Web pages but not given interviews, whereas Salazar had gone on televsion to discuss them.

Would people be calling Salazar a limelight-seeker? Nope.

Would they be screaming bloody murder at the lack of guts of the others? Undoubtedly.

If Salazar were as confident in his ability to refute the allegations as he pretends to be in his "open letter," he would have no problem talking to reporters about it. But he won't go on camera and the only reporter he talks to is his de facto spokesperson at the Oregonian. So please knock off the bullshit about Kara trying to manipulate the press and public opinion to her advantage -- you need to look in the opposite direction for a classic and undeniable example of this.

Man Overboard wrote:

Kara is NOT definitively on the record as having declared she received the bottle or pills in March.

In the same way you're not definitively on record as being so rabidly anti-Salazar-accusers as to render your every comment here meaningless.

If you prefer, substitute "sometime before the 2011 Boston Marathon" for "March 2011." This is unquestionably what Kara means by "His story is a different timeline. He’s trying to use Daegu to cover up Boston," unless you or someone can craft a credible alternative.]

Therefore it's Kara's word against that of Salazar -- and keep in mind that Salazar admit's that it's his writing on the bottle.

If I'm going to waste too much of my days on here I need to come up with a definitive list of people whose posts I can ignore.

KMB wrote:

Man Overboard wrote:

Kara is NOT definitively on the record as having declared she received the bottle or pills in March.

In the same way you're not definitively on record as being so rabidly anti-Salazar-accusers as to render your every comment here meaningless.

If you prefer, substitute "sometime before the 2011 Boston Marathon" for "March 2011." This is unquestionably what Kara means by "His story is a different timeline. He’s trying to use Daegu to cover up Boston," unless you or someone can craft a credible alternative.]

Therefore it's Kara's word against that of Salazar -- and keep in mind that Salazar admit's that it's his writing on the bottle.

If I'm going to waste too much of my days on here I need to come up with a definitive list of people whose posts I can ignore.

It would be MUCH easier to come up with a list of people whose posts are worth glancing at.

Okay, so who exactly was threatened, and by whom? Wejo, you were at the meet -- do you have any idea about this?

Methinks the Schumacher group knows a lot more than they're letting on ... but they're unfortunately staying quiet because Nike is paying them the big bucks. What a shame.

Well, I look forward to Kara's additional detail this week.

In the end this will probably end up as he said/ she said without resolution, but we shall see what concrete evidence Kara has, if any, to back up her statements.

KMB wrote:

Do you think the fact that she spoke to USADA and the media concerning what she clearly believes is serious misconduct on the part of her former coach is grounds for calling her an attention whore, washed up, overemotional, and far worse,

Yes because she LIED to the media.

Karas Nose wrote:

KMB wrote:

Do you think the fact that she spoke to USADA and the media concerning what she clearly believes is serious misconduct on the part of her former coach is grounds for calling her an attention whore, washed up, overemotional, and far worse,

Yes because she LIED to the media.

Calling her a liar (if you believe that to be the case) would have been more appropriate.

For the record - Her body language in that video interview very strongly suggests to me that she is NOT lying.

BS overreaction.

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

Calling her a liar (if you believe that to be the case) would have been more appropriate.

For the record - Her body language in that video interview very strongly suggests to me that she is NOT lying.

The idiot you're responding to gave no examples of her supposed lying. This is because he can't. I don't know why people bother posting shit that eve they, as stupid people themselves, recognize as hopefully stupid.

For the record - Her body language in that video interview very strongly suggests to me that she is NOT lying.

"Body language" what bullshit. That means nothing. Facts are the measuring stick we use for her, and the facts point to her being misleading.

Threatened by 88 lb runner? So much drama.

Karas Nose wrote:

For the record - Her body language in that video interview very strongly suggests to me that she is NOT lying.

"Body language" what bullshit. That means nothing. Facts are the measuring stick we use for her, and the facts point to her being misleading.

Freud PR little drones are so immature. When they cannot manipulate public opinion they lose control of themselves.

Body language is a tried and true method for outing liars. Kara pass as being truthful with flying colors. Salazar, Rupp, Farah, and Centro are absolute failures who are obviously hiding something.