"People have been threatened at this meet" - Kara Goucher

Thoroughly Humiliated wrote:

She lost. Not only that, she was pretty much humiliated.

Or... she ran pretty similarly to how she did a couple weeks ago, when she didn't even expect to get into this meet.

Did you just get testosterone tested on you or something? Hostile much?

Whether Adam has anger problems or not, and whether she is a high IQ individual or not, many of her accusations line up very well with many others': John Cook, Don Catlin, Rohatinsky, "Mike", Magness, and maybe Fleshman (I don't have time to look that up).

Only problem is, she can't get the good folks at NOP to confirm their shadiness. Enter USADA.

I don't believe half of it. She is delusional, and somewhat unstable. When this happens, we begin to distort facts from make believe, I do believe her in regards to doping issues, however her mannerisms suggest she will intertwine other stories to help make up for the person she always wanted to become, which was a superstar. Big egos are hard to let go of, especially when they were on a roll.

I'm always a little uneasy when people put a pronoun in front of the word "truth." His truth, my truth, their truth means no truth.

Lorenzo the Magnificent wrote:

I'm always a little uneasy when people put a pronoun in front of the word "truth." His truth, my truth, their truth means no truth.

Yes, it is clearly inappropriate to talk about "my truth" or "his truth" as if the truth varies depending upon whom one is speaking with.

HOWEVER, some people use this expression (my truth) to mean "my experiences, my knowledge, my perspective...". So I would not read too much into the use of "my truth" other than that it is a somewhat annoying habit.

I would suggest that one htink of her saying "my side of the story" and "his side of the story". I believe that is all that is meant by Kara.

Did you by chance listen to her interview with the sound on? She stated plainly that she's going to have more to say in the coming days. If you don't understand why she didn't publicly state everything she knew from the very start, you have a primitive understanding of both human nature and the words she just said on camera.Your points 1-2-3 below are deeply muddied by your borderline hysterical tone and profligate use of question marks, but from what I can tell they completely miss the mark in a variety of ways. You're focusing on things that in the grand scheme are trivial and acting as though this is all she said or (once again) plans to disclose.You seem oddly invested in Kara and the others being wrong or lying. Your veneer of disinterest and composure evaporates every time something new and damaging to Salazar's "case" arises. It's fascinating to see, because unlike the stereotypical bleating sheep here, you express yourself clearly and well.

Montesquieu wrote:

Believe her about what????

Let's assume everything she says in the ProPublica article is true, what do we have?

1. AS wanted her to take Cytomel on one occasion in particular and she refused.

2. AS wanted Rupp to have an IV at the WC in 2007 and 2011 (why only there? she claims to have been privy to hearing AS in 2001, but not (?) in 2007??). Unfortunately, the original reporting doesn't tell us whether he received a saline IV or not.

3. There's something suspicious about Rupp's original AR in the 10,000, because he admitted to being toast just a few weeks before that record.

She was with Salazar for seven years. This is it???? AS might be guilty as hell, but where are the claims about doping?????

Wrong, Lorenzo the Clown.

Lorenzo the Magnificent wrote:

I'm always a little uneasy when people put a pronoun in front of the word "truth." His truth, my truth, their truth means no truth.

I feel the same about that. I wish she'd stop using that phrase, but it's most likely something she picked up from a therapist, or, someone who's bee through a lot of therapy. I wouldn't be too surprised if she had sought some help in dealing with stress of overcoming her (Salazar..)Stockholm Syndrome.

I don't think she's lying, but what was presented so far was not strong enough evidence to convict Galen/Alberto of doping- no smoking gun. If she had stronger evidence then I'm curious as to why it was omitted from the ProPublica piece.

I do think she was naive to think she could take part in these allegations and not get personally attacked by Alberto or face further harassment from media. I believe her, however when she states that others are anonymously speaking out. It sucks that she has to single-handedly bear the brunt of this while trying to compete (not that she would have made the team anyway). Whether Alberto timed his response to be purposely directly before USAs or not it did seem to have the added effect of throwing her off her game.

I appreciate that she may be working with reputable news agencies so that lawyers will be involved and so that she is protected from prosecution (I mean that's my guess), though it did sort of reek of the same PR bs that she and Fleshman are known for.

Bottom line- I'm glad she's speaking out, but I don't think she added anything today and I do think in fairness we should require specificity and PROOF before we conclude that anyone is guilty.

You seem oddly invested in Kara and the others being wrong or lying."

Monte is part of the NOP goon squad. Victory must be had at any cost. Doping is okay as long as only his team is doing it.

Your post doesn't address the issue: what real claims is Kara trying to prove? Unless she's trying to prove that Rupp or someone in the NOP is doping, who cares? We already know that the NOP operates in the gray area.

Kara was threatened with getting lapped.

the truth being that Adam Goucher is a tool? The truth is that she either has to admit that her improvements under AlSal were to do doping or have everyone believe that she was strong enough to avoid any of the wrongdoing she is accusing OP of completely.

Montesquieu wrote:

Believe her about what????

Let's assume everything she says in the ProPublica article is true, what do we have?

1. AS wanted her to take Cytomel on one occasion in particular and she refused.

2. AS wanted Rupp to have an IV at the WC in 2007 and 2011 (why only there? she claims to have been privy to hearing AS in 2001, but not (?) in 2007??). Unfortunately, the original reporting doesn't tell us whether he received a saline IV or not.

3. There's something suspicious about Rupp's original AR in the 10,000, because he admitted to being toast just a few weeks before that record.

She was with Salazar for seven years. This is it???? AS might be guilty as hell, but where are the claims about doping?????

We have Nike and Salazar running a doping program that should never test positive.

Your failure to understand how USADA bans work is astounding.

Lance = permanent ban

Lance accusers = short, off season bans

How come all Alberto "defenders" are sleezy.

Centro is some young thug wanna be. Never displays an ounce of class in his races. His Twitter account is like a wanna be rap star.

Rowbury is an absolute moron but more she acts like this "hard" chick. Also mostly classless in races.

Mo Farah is, at minimum, a pathological liar. Abandoned his twin no less pulling out of races and or taking easy races.

A Duck well his posts speak for themselves.

Thoroughly Humiliated wrote:

She lost. Not only that, she was pretty much humiliated. Maybe if she had spent more time training and less time throwing BS accusations around, she would have avoided the latter. I mean, obviously she still would have lost, even with all the training in the world, because she doesn't have the talent. But if she had worked harder, she might not have been totally thrashed.

"How come all Alberto "defenders" are sleezy."

Because they are in full-panic mode.

Kara got more people who want to spill Salazar's beans but are still in fear of him. The number of people who are uncomfortable with Salazar's "methods" is astounding.

Eleven were enough to bring Armstrong down. The Salazar number is approaching 30, or already over that level, and there are more who will come out of the woodwork.

Montesquieu wrote:

Believe her about what????

Let's assume everything she says in the ProPublica article is true, what do we have?

1. AS wanted her to take Cytomel on one occasion in particular and she refused.

2. AS wanted Rupp to have an IV at the WC in 2007 and 2011 (why only there? she claims to have been privy to hearing AS in 2001, but not (?) in 2007??). Unfortunately, the original reporting doesn't tell us whether he received a saline IV or not.

3. There's something suspicious about Rupp's original AR in the 10,000, because he admitted to being toast just a few weeks before that record.

She was with Salazar for seven years. This is it???? AS might be guilty as hell, but where are the claims about doping?????

Kara's credibility is far greater than that of Salazar, who has a history of secrecy, obfuscation, dodging, and boundary-pushing.