Even in the great Athens 1500, El G closed the 600 almost a full second slower in 1:18.8. Has anyone ever closed the last 600 of a 1500 faster than Centro?
Even in the great Athens 1500, El G closed the 600 almost a full second slower in 1:18.8. Has anyone ever closed the last 600 of a 1500 faster than Centro?
Ask ventolin about Abdi in '87 world champs 1500m.
Brev wrote:
Even in the great Athens 1500, El G closed the 600 almost a full second slower in 1:18.8. Has anyone ever closed the last 600 of a 1500 faster than Centro?
Not a split often taken, but I know Bile ran his last 600m in World's 87 in 1:18.1.
Haven't seen Centrowitz's race yet. Not on Youtube!? But Centrowitz's last 600 would definitely be one of the quickest if it was 1:17.9.
but I think Bile closed over 2 sec faster for the last 800 (1:46.0?)
Great. Now ventolin is going to have to figure out where the 200m mark is.
You can watch all of the races on usatf.tv
Here's a youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbyBZ900sN8
I bet Robby Andrews was a full second faster. Of course he didn't win so Centro's close is much more impressive.
Tribe wrote:
I bet Robby Andrews was a full second faster. Of course he didn't win so Centro's close is much more impressive.
Last lap Centro 52.03, Andrews 52.13.
that's good wrote:
but I think Bile closed over 2 sec faster for the last 800 (1:46.0?)
Bile's last 800 was 1:46.9. Same as EL G in Athens.
What about Rui Silva in Athens? Didn't he close faster than El G?
Brev wrote:
Even in the great Athens 1500, El G closed the 600 almost a full second slower in 1:18.8. Has anyone ever closed the last 600 of a 1500 faster than Centro?
Just managed to watch the race for the first time. It's quite tricky working out precise splits in this one, as the onscreen clock is running c. 0.4 behind, compared to the official splits given. This can be seen by pausing at the finish line on each lap and then comparing to the 'official' splits that appear on screen a few seconds later. E.g. When Centrowitz's torso actually crosses the line, the on screen clock has his time as 3:36.8 (+ 0.4 = actual winning time of 3:37.2).
You can also see the onscreen clock is slow at the 200m from home mark on each lap, as the stadium clock time can also be seen on the infield. Comparing the onscreen clock and stadium clock at this point, there is a difference of about 0.3. So at the 500m mark (1000m from home) the leader is above the line at 1:16.2, but the stadium clock (which seems more accurate) on the infield shows 1:16.5, 0.3 faster. But the official splits are more like 0.4 faster
With this residual error in mind, you need to add on 0.4 secs at each line to be "in line" with the official splits.
Centro's torso is at the 600m from home mark (200m mark) at 2:18.7, meaning his actual time was more like 2:19.1 (+0.4). This means his last 600m was c. 1:18.1, the exact same time as Bile in the 87 World final.
These are the splits I get for Centro (by adding on 0.4 each time): -
61.1, 2:04.4, 2:58.3 = 61.1, 63.3, 53.9!!, 38.9 (52.0 last 400m)
or 45.2, 1:48.5, 2:45.2 = 45.2, 63.3, 56.7, 52.0.
last 800m - 1:48.7
last 700m - 1:32.8
last 600m - 1:18.1
last 500m - 1:05.6
" 400m - 52.0
" 300m - 38.9
" 200m - 25.7
" 100m - 12.7
last lap - 13.1, 13.2, 13.0, 12.7
Very, very impressive.
Also note, from 600m to 500m with your splits:
1:18.1 --> 1:05.6 means he dropped a 12.5ish from 600m out to break up the field.
Thanks for the link!
I thought it was 0.2 seconds, as evident if you freeze the screen at the 200m mark where the onscreen and field clocks are both visible at the same time.
That was absolutely amazing. 1:44 flat pace for his last 600 meters. In a 3:37 race - amazing. Put Centro down as the favorite for Worlds, and maybe Rio...
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I did that again at 46.2/46.4 with onscreen clock and physical clock, so the difference is definitely 0.2 seconds, not 0.4. I repeated that for 1:49.5 onscreen and 1:49.7 physical. And again I had onscreen clock of 2:18.6 as they are crossing the 200m mark (900m into the race) and you can't quite see the physical clock reading, but if you freeze just after, they read 2:19.4 onscreen and 2:19.6 physical, giving the same 0.2s difference. The upshot, they cross 900m at about 2:18.8 physical clock, but here we don't have the chest view, so we don't have a very accurate reading. Nevertheless, that gives 1:18.4. At 2:18.6 onscreen clock, their very short shadows are on the line, Centro's feet looking over the line. We adjust that to 2:18.8 again and same 600 split. Maybe a couple tenths faster.
Old Man Winter wrote:
Also note, from 600m to 500m with your splits:
1:18.1 --> 1:05.6 means he dropped a 12.5ish from 600m out to break up the field.
Good catch!
jjjjjj wrote:
I did that again at 46.2/46.4 with onscreen clock and physical clock, so the difference is definitely 0.2 seconds, not 0.4. I repeated that for 1:49.5 onscreen and 1:49.7 physical. And again I had onscreen clock of 2:18.6 as they are crossing the 200m mark (900m into the race) and you can't quite see the physical clock reading, but if you freeze just after, they read 2:19.4 onscreen and 2:19.6 physical, giving the same 0.2s difference. The upshot, they cross 900m at about 2:18.8 physical clock, but here we don't have the chest view, so we don't have a very accurate reading. Nevertheless, that gives 1:18.4. At 2:18.6 onscreen clock, their very short shadows are on the line, Centro's feet looking over the line. We adjust that to 2:18.8 again and same 600 split. Maybe a couple tenths faster.
I think I said that the difference between the on screen and stadium clocks was 0.3, but you're right, at some points it is 0.2, although if you do it enough times at the moments you can see both clocks, sometimes it's 0.2 and sometimes 0.3. But that is a moot point, because the official splits that come up on screen are 0.4 after the onscreen clock. Check the leader's on screen time at the finish line (300, 700, 1100, etc) and the official split times that appear on screen a few seconds later, as they start round the bend, are roughly 0.4 secs behind the on screen clock times. So when Centro crosses the 900m mark in 2:18.7, then I would suspect that the real official split would have been 2:19.1. Meaning the last 600 was 1:18.1, give or take 0.1.
Another way of looking at it, is if you just go by the on screen clock, then Centro passes 900 in 2:18.7 and he crosses the line (before it moves on to official time) in 3:36.8. Which again makes 1:18.1.
It certainly wasn't 1:17.9 and it was faster than the 1:18.4 someone else suggested.