Drugs? Athletics West

I think anybody that runs faster than my PR's are on drugs. It can't be humanly possible to be better than me, so if you run faster than me your on drugs. I realize thats alot of people so your all dirty as crap, I'm the only clean runner in the world, All the AR and WR should be mine. You dirty bastards, keep me from winning my gold medal.

...that ceases fruitful discussion:

"I think anybody that runs faster than my PR's are on drugs. It can't be humanly possible to be better than me, so if you run faster than me your on drugs. I realize thats alot of people so your all dirty as crap, I'm the only clean runner in the world, All the AR and WR should be mine. You dirty bastards, keep me from winning my gold medal."

How on earth is that the logical conclusion of drug discussions. All the drugs in the world aren't going to take me to the level of these outstanding athletes. There are certainly bodybuilders who are doping who would bench 300 pounds more than I could without drugs. I don't get your point. My argument is the spate of sub 13:00 and sub 27:00 times (and women negatively splitting marathons in Half Marathon times they would normally be proud of) has a little something to do with improved drugs. Mohammed Mourhit is a doper caught red-handed, for example, but it doesn't follow that I think I woudl be in his class if only he didn't dope. Drugs are only a temptation for people who are already great (as they are looking for ways to get one up on the other greats or any way possible to make there monumental talent and work ethics pay further dividends.)

Slaney was busted. As confessed on many forums, Malmo doped briefly at the urging of a friend (also a runner who remains nameless for obvious reasons) who set him up with the doctor wondering when Malmo was going to get on the same page as everyone else. It follows that it was likely an AW guy who took him to the doctor. Malmo said the parking lot was a "who's who" of track and field. Slaney and her second husband were busted for the juice multiple times. Draw your own conclusions. None of this is new info if you remember TNF media or have been on other boards. Check out Jim Ferstle's articles from the 80's on steroids in the Minneapolis paper after BJ got busted - if you have a library, you can track them down.

Earth to Brian, "please turn off your sarcasm filter"

When, really true? Also I don't believe Slaney was busted for the juice "multiple times".

in the early 80's blood doping was not illegal(usa gold medal 84 cycling admitted to using) its also a fairly common belief that it was apart of the eugene scene and athletics west.

++++pure speculation, but there was a young a.w. member who dropped dead of a heart attack during that time. i wont say his name, cuz i have no proof as to why it happened.

You never attempted to answer my question of the moron that stated that Slaney was busted multiple times, which I believe to be false. MS was busted way after AW broke up in 86. Also BJ was never busted for drug use was he? Jeff Drenth did pass away but it was never reported as drug use. I believe that JW died of an Aortic aneurysm, there is a difference between that and a heart attack. Maybe an AW insider could set all of us straight about the facts about those 3 folks.

Its fairly common knowlede that US track and field covered up testing results on numerous occassions, I believe drug offences were as wide spread in the US in the 80's as they were in the Eastern Bloc, the Cold War was being fought in the worlds stadia. There is some guy who used to work for the US olympic association drug testing agency who is about to publish a story about the number of not only good athleets but Olympic Medal winners who were cheats.

Start reading Tmag or other pro-steroid websites and you can see how many people use this stuff. Look at this one:

http://www.steroid-encyclopaedia.com/print_ezine/story/17

the only time i have heard of slaney's drug issues are from her high levels of testosterone a few yrs back. I dont even recall if this was overruled or what. Im more interested in if anything was going on at AW among the male athletes. I do know former AW members, but have never asked them personally about it. However, they did speak of using other harmful and illegal products such as DMSO as an anti inflam.

But as far as i know no one has a smoking gun to prove of blood doping or steroids with AW runners.

but even smoking guns are hard to prove, Dieter Bauman has been cleared by his federation, the chinese girls have never been proven guilty, even the East German marathoner who beat shorter in 76 has not been proven guilty.

When government federations get involved financially for political pride and propoganda, ethics usually are the first to go. In the 60-70's the communist countries stand out, in the 80's the western world stands out, in the 90's the Africans stand out.

"the East German marathoner who beat shorter in 76 has not been proven guilty."

His name was mentioned in East German files from the doping program complete with his doping schedule. It is proven.

I believe Slaney tested positive twice. Someone should look that up. She was cleared once then tested positive again. I am not sure.

It is not my place to "out" the runner who went to the doctor with Malmo. I really wish folks would out themselves. It doesn't make them bad people but outing themselves would draw attention to how deep the problem might be. I guess they don't want to taint their accomplishments but if enough people fess up to what they did, then we might get a handle on the problem. I can completely understand the dilemma folks at the high levels of sport face when convinced that their competition is doping and perhaps if we found out how many athletes resorted to it, we could figure out how to stop it. Someone on the boards once argued, and I second it, that there are probably plenty of people who dope who do so only because they cannot be sure their conpetition is clean and would prefer a clean sport if they could be sure everyone was clean. There are certainly dopers who genuinely wish there were strict testing procedures so they could stop doping without worrying about losing ground to dirty competitors.

I applaud Malmo for his self-outing in this regard on various forums (I think the first time was years ago on an old defunct tnf-list). Whatever other faults folks might accuse him of, integrity doesn't appear to be one of them. I can understand why he wouldn't want to out his friends, as, surprise, surprise, folks can be good people and use drugs but most people don't see the world that way.

DMSO is not a banned substance. It can however be used as a vector for banned substance. I actually contacted the anti doping committee to ask if it was banned, as I had heard that it was. The are the ones who confirmed that it is not illegal.

My recollection is that DMSO was/is used to get other medications directly to an affected area through the skin, as it penetrates and carries whatever is dissolved in it (say, aspirin) with it.

As I remember it from the day, people had found they felt better/healed better by applying DMSO only. I don't recall ever seeing any proof or explanation why, but it was a hot commodity for a while. Since I don't hear about anyone using nowadays, I've always assumed it was found to be a placebo sort of deal. But I'd love to hear if there's other reasons (dangerous or proven ineffective)....

file prove nothing. he was never banned or suspended while competing, and he still is the winner of the 76 marathon.

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file prove nothing. he was never banned or suspended while competing, and he still is the winner of the 76 marathon.

Yeah, and Mourhit is still the winner of World Cross.

Cierpinski has been known for some time to be a drug cheat. Documents unsealed after the fall of The Wall (that\\\'s the Berlin Wall, not the Marathon Wall) by Dr. Werner Franke revealed his doping number to be 63. This is all available online, of course.

obviously he will be stripped of his world cross title if he is proven ,after appeal, to be guilty.

and i think most would agree that about 80% of what you find on the internet cant be proven by anyone.

Can people stop beating around the bush about names. Was Salazar doping? Who else?

Who is malmo? His name keeps cropping up as having admitted doping but i don't know who he is?

I have used DMSO from time to time. It is now USDA regulated. DMSO is a derivitive of wood, and it is pretty powerful stuff. From my personal experience it really knocks out any tendonitis. It does have some side effects like bad garlicky breath and it feels like it's burning your skin. Which it probably does since DMSO can be a paint thinner too. They use it on horses too. I've only seen DMSO sold in very small herbal stores, but you can find it at horse shops.