George Bailey wrote:
...the right of regular citizens to keep and bear militia-suitable firearms...
Haha George, good one. Portland is a Northwest jewel of a city. Quality of life materially better than most other cities it size. Exhibit A is that it's a city that makes people like George stay away.
There's a highly informative documentary series called "Portlandia" that should answer your questions.
Jefe in the CO wrote:
George Bailey wrote:...the right of regular citizens to keep and bear militia-suitable firearms...
Haha George, good one. Portland is a Northwest jewel of a city. Quality of life materially better than most other cities it size. Exhibit A is that it's a city that makes people like George stay away.
One thing about Portland is how white it is, and very segregated.
You can't beat the big time running events:
Portland 2016 IAAF Indoor WC
NCAA Outdoor Championship (Eugene)
Prefontaine Classic (Eugene)
USATF Outdoor and Olympic Trials (Eugene)
Eugene 2021 IAAF Outdoor WC
USATF XC Championship (Bend)
Portland Track Festival
Check out ticket prices for 2016 indoor WC. They are like $250, ridiculous. I could see paying that much for outdoor champs, but not indoor.
bootsie wrote:
George Bailey wrote:Taxes = high
Schools = indoctrination camps
Cost of Living = high
Quality of life = see above
Etc. = hippies, heroin, hate, hedonism
translation for smart people:
taxes= a suitable rate to buy civilization, unlike the south and midwest
schools=produce intelligent, engaged, critical thinkers who are unlikely to vote against their own economic self-interest, unlike most poor/middle class Republicans.
Cost of living= high, but you get what you pay for. Very few rednecks, sustainable architecture, no monolithic corporations taking over small neighborhoods.
Quality of life= better than all the flyover states by a mile. Best overall year-round climate in the country.
Etc.= hippies, heroin, hate (against haters), hedonism, yes. All of those. And also very few bible thumpers, homophobes, and dumb people (though I'll concede that doing heroin is an exceptionally dumb thing to do).
I see you believe in tolerance.
Well, unlike southern California, when I go get Chinese food, there are actual Chinese people cooking it. Except for food truck rip offs. I hope that is a passing hipster trend.
white power wrote:
Jefe in the CO wrote:Haha George, good one. Portland is a Northwest jewel of a city. Quality of life materially better than most other cities it size. Exhibit A is that it's a city that makes people like George stay away.
One thing about Portland is how white it is, and very segregated.
white power wrote:]
One thing about Portland is how white it is, and very segregated.
This is true. Last I checked, Portland is around 75% white, whereas a city like Chicago is around 37% white. Portland is made up of wealthy, uptight, boring, white people who wouldn't step foot in a low income black neighborhood if their first born child's life depended on it. Yet, they love to think how progressive they are.
Portland is devoid of any soul, culture, or spark. It's another boring wannabe European city that falls far short.
Tinfoil Hat wrote:
I suppose you are counting total amount of rain. What an odd way to look ..
What and odd way to look at total rainfall by, uhm, well, the TOTAL?
malmo wrote:
Tinfoil Hat wrote:I suppose you are counting total amount of rain. What an odd way to look ..
What and odd way to look at total rainfall by, uhm, well, the TOTAL?
Yes, we all know you should use the sum of the amount of rain falling on all days when rain falls to come up with the amount of rain falling within a given period.
Yes, it rains but it doesn't prevent you from running. I've lived here since 1987 and I can count on 1 hand how many times I've missed a workout because of rain. I have missed workouts because of snow and ice - which happens once every 3 years or so. Summers can be too warm for distance running but it doesn't last too long.
Portland is the worst city ever built
O earthquake please sink it back into the silt.
malmo wrote:
Tinfoil Hat wrote:I suppose you are counting total amount of rain. What an odd way to look ..
What and odd way to look at total rainfall by, uhm, well, the TOTAL?
Well, you never said total rainfall. So I guess your point is a moving target...
You said "rains more". It "rains more" DAYS in Portland than it does in many other places. It "rains more" total rainfall (in fewer days) in some other places. You pick which one you want, and try to be more specific about what exactly you are talking about in the future.
Tinfoil Hat wrote:
malmo wrote:Myth.
Rains more in the East and the South than it does in Portland.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762183.htmlI suppose you are counting total amount of rain. What an odd way to look at it. Well, most people don't care if it rains half an inch or an inch. What they care about is how many days a year it rains. According to your source, Portland comes in at 153 days. That puts it in the top-10 of those cities for rainy days...
Most people don't care how much it rains? They don't see the difference between, say, a Nor'easter storm and the ensuing floods vs. a 5-10 minute period in the morning when it might sprinkle?
I don't know, it seems like I would care more if there were heavy storms every year vs. brief rain showers throughout the year. Potentially getting a little damp for a couple minutes a day doesn't bother me, but putting up with stormy weather would be less comfortable for my taste. But maybe I'm in the minority here, who knows.
Well, there's a big difference between a Nor'easter and drizzle, right? I think you're being dramatic. Of course no one wants to get 10 inches of rain in one day. But you knew that..
I've lived in the Pacific Northwest, and the most common complaint about rain really had more to do with total days impacted by rain, not the actual amount that fell. That's why when people move to places like Denver, they always tout how the sun shines 360 days a year or whatever.
It's raining here right now. Whether it's a quarter inch or half an inch, it's still a rainy day.
Tinfoil Hat wrote:
Well, there's a big difference between a Nor'easter and drizzle, right? I think you're being dramatic. Of course no one wants to get 10 inches of rain in one day. But you knew that..
I've lived in the Pacific Northwest, and the most common complaint about rain really had more to do with total days impacted by rain, not the actual amount that fell. That's why when people move to places like Denver, they always tout how the sun shines 360 days a year or whatever.
It's raining here right now. Whether it's a quarter inch or half an inch, it's still a rainy day.
Sorry, I've lived in both Portland and Eugene and I've never, not once, heard of anyone talking rainfall including the many days of "trace" rain for an hour (and none for 23 hours) When they talk about rain, they talk about it the same way everyone else does -- HOW MUCH. Oregonians become confused and defensive when someone shatters their infamous parochialism by telling them it rains more on the East Coast and Southeast of the US than in Oregon.
Those who travel outside of "Appalachia of the West" find it difficult to believe that the East Coast/ Southeast is home to much more dense and lush forests.
The Oregon Coast gets rain, lots of it, but Portland isn't on the coast is it?
George Bailey wrote:
bootsie wrote:translation for smart people:
taxes= a suitable rate to buy civilization, unlike the south and midwest
schools=produce intelligent, engaged, critical thinkers who are unlikely to vote against their own economic self-interest, unlike most poor/middle class Republicans.
Cost of living= high, but you get what you pay for. Very few rednecks, sustainable architecture, no monolithic corporations taking over small neighborhoods.
Quality of life= better than all the flyover states by a mile. Best overall year-round climate in the country.
Etc.= hippies, heroin, hate (against haters), hedonism, yes. All of those. And also very few bible thumpers, homophobes, and dumb people (though I'll concede that doing heroin is an exceptionally dumb thing to do).
You must be dizzy from all that spin .... better double up on your prozac dosages.
Your first response ...."taxes = a suitable rate to buy civilization, unlike the south and midwest" ..... is incomprehensible.
Your second response ... "schools = produce intelligent, engaged, critical thinkers who are unlikely to vote against their own economic self-interest, unlike most poor/middle class Republicans" makes about as much sense as your first response. One cannot engender the qualities of intelligence, engagement, nor critical thinkers, and then proceed to use phrases like "bible thumpers" and oxymoronic words like "homophobe". When one votes to infringe upon one's explicit Constitutional rights - such as the right to free speech, the right to express one's religious views and alternatively avoid violating one's beliefs, the right of regular citizens to keep and bear militia-suitable firearms, and the right to associate with those we choose and subsequently disassociate from those we reject - one is blatantly voting against one's self interest, unless one does not value their freedom and heritage in the first place. No, your schools produce morons that Stalin would have been proud to march through the streets of Leningrad.
Your third response would make sense if not for the fact that you DO have monolithic corporations dicating their own piece of the economic pie to their own advantage and to the disadvantages of the town's citizens.
Quality of life is a direct component of the types of people that infest your town, and the aforementioned hippies, drug addicts, culture haters, and anti-religious bigots makes Portland a city with a very poor quality of life for an average Joe per the OP's initial post. Walk down any street in Portland wearing a cross around your neck (sans a Goth look), and you'll be harrasssed and threatened by all those "enlightened" bigots who line the streets as if it's their own property. Park a car downtown with a "Jesus fish" decal, and it's almost certain some low-life will vandalize it within 15 minutes.
If it keeps the likes of you out, count me in.
Ragging on PDX is clearly an exciting distraction from the tedium and boredom of living in a flyover state.
Chewbacca wrote:
Ragging on PDX is clearly an exciting distraction from the tedium and boredom of living in a flyover state.
Got news for you. Oregon is a flyaround state.
Tinfoil Hat wrote:
Well, there's a big difference between a Nor'easter and drizzle, right? I think you're being dramatic. Of course no one wants to get 10 inches of rain in one day. But you knew that..
I've lived in the Pacific Northwest, and the most common complaint about rain really had more to do with total days impacted by rain, not the actual amount that fell. That's why when people move to places like Denver, they always tout how the sun shines 360 days a year or whatever.
It's raining here right now. Whether it's a quarter inch or half an inch, it's still a rainy day.
Yes, I was discussing the extremes because you weren't giving any consideration to anything but trivial differences in the amount of rainfall.
"Rain days" will include days when you might not even notice that it has "rained". However, everyone will notice when there is a storm outside. So, yes, volume is a better measure of how "wet" or how "much rain" somewhere tends to get - counting how many times it sprinkles doesn't say much about the climate, and is a disingenuous way of describing how wet a region is. Considering how often, and how extreme, storms might be in an area is far more relevant to me than how many days there might be some trace amount of precipitation. Between the options of the frequency of (any amount of) precipitation vs. the volume of precipitation, the latter does a much better job describing that characteristic.