NopeTtyHarder wrote:
Where's the clutch shot? My pregnant wife could have made that lay up. Not even close to MJ sorry. This is what counts right here and he's not getting it done.
It's already been proven that LeBron is as clutch as Jordan. I already posted the link earlier in this thread a few times, so stop with the delusions already. Your view of the past is inaccurate.
I haven't watched the NBA in a while, I watched it a lot when MJ played. I don't know who's better and don't care. But I do know that Lebron would have been made fun of by the players in the 90's for how much he complains. What a baby.
[quote]NopeTryHarder wrote:
Curry played poorly at the end, LJ is really lucky because not only was he not dominant he was extremely sloppy. He survives game 2. I repeat, not even close to MJ material
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Warriors are really lucky they snuck out a win in game 1 in overtime. They have struggled to hold home court in the first two games of the finals playing against a team missing two of its superstars. They could easily be down 2 nothing. Another triple double for James, and he leads his team to the victory - the real MVP.
You almost whine as much as your god lebron
stephwho wrote:
[quote]NopeTryHarder wrote:
Curry played poorly at the end, LJ is really lucky because not only was he not dominant he was extremely sloppy. He survives game 2. I repeat, not even close to MJ material
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Warriors are really lucky they snuck out a win in game 1 in overtime. They have struggled to hold home court in the first two games of the finals playing against a team missing two of its superstars. They could easily be down 2 nothing. Another triple double for James, and he leads his team to the victory - the real MVP.
Lebron willed the team to a W. Hard to knock him if you watched the game unless you are a hater. He got fouled several times with no calls, and it wouldn't have been ludicrous to call a foul on his last shot in regulation.
39 points
11 assists
16 rebounds
Lead the team in all these categories. If we are talking about a player that is most valuable to a team, I'm putting Lebron over Jordan.
I loved hearing the radio guys this week. The question of the week was "do you blame Lebron when Cleveland loses this series?"
MJ NEVER won a playoff ***SERIES*** w/o Pippen. 3 tries.
Bulls 55 wins w/o MJ. Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh was out.
MJ NEVER won a playoff ***SERIES*** w/o Pippen. 3 tries.
Again:
MJ NEVER won a playoff ***SERIES*** w/o Pippen. 3 tries.
Bulls 55 wins w/o MJ. Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh was out. Cavs nothing w/o LeBron.
Again:
Bulls 55 wins w/o MJ. Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh was out. Cavs nothing w/o LeBron.
think this through wrote:
NopeTtyHarder wrote:Wow tied up game 2 for OT. Your king definitely does not have control of this game. Where's the clutch shot? My pregnant wife could have made that lay up. Not even close to MJ sorry. This is what counts right here and he's not getting it done.
MJ wouldn't have even made the playoffs with the supporting cast James has on this Cavs team. Heck, take away Phil Jackson alone, & MJ would have looking at a team with a .510 regular season record.
Jordan was not as great on weak teams. Jordan would NOT be in the finals with this team so I suppose he wouldn't have lost the finals.
Again...10 time scoring champ. Defensive player of the year. 3 x steal leader. 6 x Finals MVP.
The CAVS success is more about the weak NBA and less about their fearless leader. Seth Curry is a JV version of Reggie Miller. These CAVS would at best be a 4 seed in the 90s Eastern Conference. Ewing? Miller? Later a young Shaq and Penny when Penny could play. Really? The only person standing in Lebrons way is Seth Curry? Whatever. I still take the Warriors in 6...but it's sad it has to take that long. These Cavs are no better than MJs early Bulls teams when he was throwing up 60s and the team losing. Only difference now is that the league sucks.
The argument about who's the best "team" player is stupid. Greatness is defined by your accomplishments. Lebron is lacking.
When he gets these CAVs to a three peat then we'll talk.
Alan
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/10/31/scottie-pippen-take-lebron-james-over-michael-jordanBob Bakian wrote:
Scottie Pippen said that Lebron is better than Jordan. Nobody knows Jordan better than Pippen, so there you have it. Case closed.
Lebron > Jordan
Scottie Pippen: 'I did not say I'd take Lebron' over Michael Jordan
runningart2004 wrote:
Again...10 time scoring champ. Defensive player of the year. 3 x steal leader. 6 x Finals MVP.
The CAVS success is more about the weak NBA and less about their fearless leader. Seth Curry is a JV version of Reggie Miller. These CAVS would at best be a 4 seed in the 90s Eastern Conference. Ewing? Miller? Later a young Shaq and Penny when Penny could play. Really? The only person standing in Lebrons way is Seth Curry? Whatever. I still take the Warriors in 6...but it's sad it has to take that long. These Cavs are no better than MJs early Bulls teams when he was throwing up 60s and the team losing. Only difference now is that the league sucks.
The argument about who's the best "team" player is stupid. Greatness is defined by your accomplishments. Lebron is lacking.
When he gets these CAVs to a three peat then we'll talk.
Alan
Seth Curry? Is that Steph Curry's twin brother on the state farm commercials? Jordon was a high volume scorer on good teams. In this series, Lebron is a high volume scorer who also puts up 15 rebounds and 10+ assists. Lebron haters say he was so good in the playoffs because the East teams are so bad. Now they are saying the whole NBA is bad, that's why. Barkley is right. You are comparing Lebron to the wrong guy. He's more like Magic than Jordan.
From Bill Wennington, former MJ teammate:
"If Michael was available, I would pick Scottie Pippen..."
LeBron keeps ALL teammates involved, interested, excited & improves them like no one I've ever seen. Best leader ever. GOAT.
Like stated above: MJ never won a single playoff series in 3 tries w/o Pippen. MJ had a 55-win team around him. Heat = lottery even when Bosh was healthy.
I saw Magic. LeBron >>> Magic, easily.
Defense, no contest. Leadership, Magic blamed lesser teammates for everything, instead of what was warranted. Magic had Kareem, who was still winning MVP's, Worthy & a group of good players- plus HOF coach Riley.
He'd have tried playing like LeBron is now with a rag-tag bunch. But he wouldn't have been as successful- including LeBron making them the playoffs best defensive team.
Socttie Pippen took the Bulls much farther without Jordan (one bad call from finals) than Jordan ever took the bulls without Pippen.
7 seconds left in the game and you're down by one. Who do you want with the ball Lebron or Jordan?
Coach wrote:
7 seconds left in the game and you're down by one. Who do you want with the ball Lebron or Jordan?
I've never understood this argument. It has nothing to do with which player is the best. The game is 2 hours long. Who the best split second shooter is is irrelevant. There are more aspects and skills required.
not an nba analyst wrote:
runningart2004 wrote:Again...10 time scoring champ. Defensive player of the year. 3 x steal leader. 6 x Finals MVP.
The CAVS success is more about the weak NBA and less about their fearless leader. Seth Curry is a JV version of Reggie Miller. These CAVS would at best be a 4 seed in the 90s Eastern Conference. Ewing? Miller? Later a young Shaq and Penny when Penny could play. Really? The only person standing in Lebrons way is Seth Curry? Whatever. I still take the Warriors in 6...but it's sad it has to take that long. These Cavs are no better than MJs early Bulls teams when he was throwing up 60s and the team losing. Only difference now is that the league sucks.
The argument about who's the best "team" player is stupid. Greatness is defined by your accomplishments. Lebron is lacking.
When he gets these CAVs to a three peat then we'll talk.
Alan
Seth Curry? Is that Steph Curry's twin brother on the state farm commercials? Jordon was a high volume scorer on good teams. In this series, Lebron is a high volume scorer who also puts up 15 rebounds and 10+ assists. Lebron haters say he was so good in the playoffs because the East teams are so bad. Now they are saying the whole NBA is bad, that's why. Barkley is right. You are comparing Lebron to the wrong guy. He's more like Magic than Jordan.
True, the Magic comparison is the better one accept for the fact that Magic was better at the point than Lebron. Magic had show time around him and that made the no look passes that more deadly. Lebron doesn't have that caliber of supporting cast, even with a healthy Love and Irving. Does that make Lebron better than Magic? No, just more desperate because he has to carry the load. If he had show time around him he would slack off because he wouldn't have to work as hard. I.E. why Lebron went to Miami in the first place, which was Dwayne Wade's team. But Lebron is still a great player and the face of today's NBA.
Depends, if it's a regular season game then either one. If it's a playoff game though, only Jordan can hit those clutch shots. Lebron is a whiny lost child out there when the s*** hits the fan. His leadership and confidence are very questionable.
Coach wrote:
7 seconds left in the game and you're down by one. Who do you want with the ball Lebron or Jordan?
Robert Horry was clutch. You don't have to be great to be clutch. Mutually exclusive.