Jenny Simpson, Shannon Rowbury and Alexa Efraimson - But Not Mary Cain - Will Race in Women's 1500 at 2015 Pre

Do her credentials warrant it wrote:

What is Mackey's personal and season best times? Maybe they don't warrant a spot on the starting line. I'm Not judging, just asking!

She's run 4:07.51 to win and 15:16 at Stanford this season. PB's are 2:02, 4:04 (2013) and 15:04 (2014). I'd say she's with the cusp of getting into Pre, but I would assume the sponsorship logos don't help.

Sounds like Mackey's 1500m credentials put her towards the bottom of the start list which is sorted by personal best times at the end of the preview.

I can see Nike wanting to get their junior athlete (who has inferior marks) into this race and frankly I don't blame them.

Mackey does seem to have better 1500m credentials over one of the non-Nike athletes (Emma Coburn).

Not sure how Emma got onto the starting list, unless it was a condition made by her training partner?

Credentials are almost there wrote:

Not sure how Emma got onto the starting list, unless it was a condition made by her training partner?

You seriously wonder how someone ranked #2 in the world in the steeple, is a medal threat in her event and has 9:11 / 4:05 credentials got into the meet over a 4:04 runner who isn't even a lock to make the US team?

Nike won't let Mackey in because they have a feud with the Brooks Beasts. They don't have a problem with New Balance, therefore Coburn gets in.

rojo wrote:

Not racing Mary seems to be the smart thing for coach Salazar. She just finished next to last at Oxy. She's clearly not ready for a DL 1500.

Sometimes as a coach, it's hard to admit things are going well and you keep trying to force it and things get even worse. Thats' clearly not the case here. It will be interesting to see what she does the rest of the season - if anything.

I saw Mary Cain running in Central Park a couple of hours ago. She's in NYC.

We are discussing a 1500m race, not the steeplechase

I think Mackey has a much better shot at running a faster time at 1500m over Coburn.

I think Mackey has a great shot at making the 1500m team this year.

I also don't think excelling at the steeplechase should entitle a runner to a spot in an elite 1500m race.

Yes Emma is a world class steeplechaser, but her 1500m results thus far don't really warrant a position on the Prefontaine starting line over a more qualified 1500m runner.

But according to a prior poster, it sounds like this has something to do with politics between Brooks and Nike

alanson wrote:

Jenny just ran 2:00.79. She has a shot at the AR in the Pre. .

remember JBS is playing the long game - she has to have one peak, THREE MONTHS from now. At the end of August, for Pete's sake.

The others have to be sharper now - they have to peak in one month for USAs

So I'd be very surprised if Jenny is sharp enough for an AR attempt. She's a massively good competitor but she's on a different timetable than the other women.

I think she'll sit in third position on the rail and see what she can do in the last 200 - just compete, not go for a fast time.

inside scoop wrote:

Nike won't let Mackey in because they have a feud with the Brooks Beasts. They don't have a problem with New Balance, therefore Coburn gets in.

Wait! What about Phoebe "I run profesh for Nike....I train with the Beasts" Wright?

Oh, wait a minute. If anyone's capable of feuding with herself, it would be Phoebe "Tennessee born and raised" Wright. You know what they say: You can take the girl out of Tennessee, but you can't take Tennessee out of the girl!

PS Go Phoebe!

Different events wrote:

We are discussing a 1500m race, not the steeplechase

I think Mackey has a much better shot at running a faster time at 1500m over Coburn.

I think Mackey has a great shot at making the 1500m team this year.

I also don't think excelling at the steeplechase should entitle a runner to a spot in an elite 1500m race.

Yes Emma is a world class steeplechaser, but her 1500m results thus far don't really warrant a position on the Prefontaine starting line over a more qualified 1500m runner.

But according to a prior poster, it sounds like this has something to do with politics between Brooks and Nike

emma coburn is a rockstar - she has 16,000 twitter followers vs just 13,000 for rowbury. EC plays the fame game really well - even if she doesn't have a great 1500 time, her in the race will bring press attention, which is the point.

It is entertainment in the end - you need press/media

inside scoop wrote:

Nike won't let Mackey in because they have a feud with the Brooks Beasts. They don't have a problem with New Balance, therefore Coburn gets in.

mackey has all of 5,000 twitter followers. She is just above obscurity - not all that interesting to race directors.

agip wrote:

EC plays the fame game really well - even if she doesn't have a great 1500 time, her in the race will bring press attention, which is the point.

It is entertainment in the end - you need press/media

Well that is a real stretch of the imagination if you ask me.

Different events wrote:

We are discussing a 1500m race, not the steeplechase

I think Mackey has a much better shot at running a faster time at 1500m over Coburn.

I think Mackey has a great shot at making the 1500m team this year.

I also don't think excelling at the steeplechase should entitle a runner to a spot in an elite 1500m race.

Yes Emma is a world class steeplechaser, but her 1500m results thus far don't really warrant a position on the Prefontaine starting line over a more qualified 1500m runner.

But according to a prior poster, it sounds like this has something to do with politics between Brooks and Nike

You act as if Coburn has no wheels at 1500. Her PR is 4:05.29, which is only a hair slower than Mackey's 4:04.6. Last year Coburn's best 1500 was actually slightly faster than Mackey's season best (4:05.29 vs 4:05.74).

Combine that with the fact that Coburn is world class in the steeple, she gets the nod over Mackey even though it isn't her primary event. Coburn is probably capable of 4:02-03 in the right race and maybe even faster if she ran more 1500s.

Anyway, this thread is useless without pics.

Maybe the boyz in Beaverton haven't forgotten about this: https://instagram.com/p/oEfTiALYec/

rojo wrote:

Steve on a cell in Brooklyn wrote:

Because the poster is a noted boob.

I agree that nothing logically says 359. She did come down 9 seconds from 416 to 407 last year but it gets harder to pb the faster you get. The advantage she has going for her is no one has really been paying attention to her. Hell she was in the third heat of the 800 at hoka. All of the focus has been on cain.

Obviously that will change if she runs sub 405.

If she does it then hats off to the coach as he's clearly had some sick plan bhr one doesn't normally go from third at my sac in mid april to 1609 for 5k on may 2nd to sub 4 at the end of the month. That would be an incredible turnaround.

Only about half dozen U.S. women have ever run a sub-4 1500, in fact only about a half dozen women in the world ran sub-4 last year. Efraimson's 4:07 last year is equal to about a 4:02 mile for a high school boy, which is very impressive, but if she runs 3:59, that would make her better than Alan Webb's 3:53. Also, if run's 3:59, she could possibly win the race.

I think her 4:07 is much more impressive than a 4:02 for a hs boy. 4:07 is a time that would allow someone to be competitive in professional races. A 4:02 mile in a pro race would finish at the back of the pack.

I understand the argument, but I think the AR would be more important to her than World's (since she's already got two medals). The long game is aimed at the Olympics. Running at Pre puts little or no pressure on her, I think it's a good place for her to take a big risk. And it's the meet where she first broke 4.

agip wrote:

alanson wrote:

Jenny just ran 2:00.79. She has a shot at the AR in the Pre. .

remember JBS is playing the long game - she has to have one peak, THREE MONTHS from now. At the end of August, for Pete's sake.

The others have to be sharper now - they have to peak in one month for USAs

So I'd be very surprised if Jenny is sharp enough for an AR attempt. She's a massively good competitor but she's on a different timetable than the other women.

I think she'll sit in third position on the rail and see what she can do in the last 200 - just compete, not go for a fast time.

Is anyone surprised?

She is on the team best known for DUCKing compEtitive comPetitiOn.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Is anyone surprised?

She is on the team best known for DUCKing compEtitive comPetitiOn.

What the hell is this even referring to?

And I love how this thread becomes another prime example of LRC posters saying sh*t that they do not know to be true without any qualifier and no cited reasoning. The worst part is...other koolaid drinkers on the thread buy it without questioning.

At least one guy was savvy enough to post that Mackey Instagram photo to back up a claim.

Amazing field wrote:

I love this field and can't wait to see how our girls do. Is Katie Mackey racing? She has been on fire lately but I don't see her listed in the 1500m or 5k

Katie just announced that she is in the race.