Shalane says her legs are too long to win Boston

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  • I love Shalane, but
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 6:52am CDT
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    "Some people are really made for that course and some people aren't. I would put myself in the category of not necessarily made for that course, to be honest, because of my form and my longer legs. The Boston course kind of beats me up a bit more than others. "

    "But I remember a few times looking at Desi and how spunky she looked. I was like, "Shoot, I don't feel like my legs are feeling the way hers are." Her body was so fluid and I thought, "Uh oh. I think I'm in a little bit of trouble."

    So.....according to Shalane she has to work harder than others (including Desi) because her legs are longer. Hmm.....long legs didn't seem to hurt Caroline Rotich or other major winners with "longer legs".

    Link to the article: http://www.runnersworld.com/boston-marathon/shalane-flanagan-on-her-boston-marathon-a-bad-day-at-the-office?adbid=10153255965752090&adbpl=fb&adbpr=23403427089&cid=social44455926&short_code=2uptu
  • man at work
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 7:13am CDT
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    She didn't say she had to work harder.
  • 4aok098345
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 7:25am CDT
    re: I love Shalane, but
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    Actually, looking at the clip on Letsrun, I think she is onto something. No, not about her longer legs, differences in body shape are minor. What I am talking about is that Desi looks particularly fluid, full of energy and ready to run faster.

    Slalane isn't in the clip as long but her defeatist comments indicate she wasn't feeling that way. My guess is that Shalane is training to win the race. Doing as much as she dares and isn't changing anything if it starts to grind her down and just hoping that she bounces back during her taper. Desi might be doing more or less but her training load is a better fit to what she can handle, leaving her ready to fly.
  • Precious Roy
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    4 years ago 04/23/2015 8:26am CDT
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    Shalane's form comes from a lot of track racing. Her career is really a track career with road racing coming very late. She is a perfect forefoot striker and has perfect form for the track. Desi has made her career on the road. Her foot strike is more midfoot. Desi's form lends better to absorbing the shock of the road than Shalane. On downhills, Desi will not load her quads as hard as Shalane will.
    I do not think the difference is that significant and it can certainly be overcome. I do think Shalane prefers flat fast courses after running Berlin and may be thinking about doing Chicago/London instead of NY/Boston.
  • differences
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 8:51am CDT
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    One has a marathon coach and one has a track coach.

    Shalane will not be paid as much at London or Chicago.
  • runn
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    4 years ago 04/23/2015 9:10am CDT
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    On the Universal Sports Pre-race show Frank Shorter said she over strides.
  • Haji
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    4 years ago 04/23/2015 9:12am CDT
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    I would say that Desi had better marathon fitness than Shalane. Sounds like maybe it got into Shalane's head a bit.
  • Yakkety Yak
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 9:13am CDT
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    I don't know if her legs are too long, but her mouth is too big and her heart is too small.
  • gsk;kl;fk'lgklgk
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 9:28am CDT
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    Her form was a lot better when she was in 2:20 shape.

    She was not in 2:20 form on Monday morning.
  • outsiderunner
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    4 years ago 04/23/2015 9:54am CDT
    re: I love Shalane, but
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    I had read this quote yesterday, and immediately agreed with Shalane. In my view, body type does make a difference--just look at the ladies who win or place at marathons--not many 5'5", 113 pound women with long legs. I think Shalane is in excellent shape, and should not try to drop weight. However, as has been pointed out above, she is a track runner, and there is a reason why she has done very, very well on the track: she looks like a track runner. Desi and Shalane make for a perfect comparison...Desi is short (5'1") and lean (97 pounds). Simply put: she is little. She looks remarkably similar to her E. African competitors...those who win at 26.2. The gals who go 94, 95, 97 pounds would seem to have an advantage over 26.2.

    I would enjoy seeing Shalane win her hometown marathon, but she does not seem to have the body type for it. She would be better on a flat course, but she is not a little lady. Thin, lean, and incredibly fit, but not "little." Yes, there are exceptions, but being little does seem to help in a marathon.
  • check your eyes
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 10:01am CDT
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    outsiderunner wrote:

    I had read this quote yesterday, and immediately agreed with Shalane. In my view, body type does make a difference--just look at the ladies who win or place at marathons--not many 5'5", 113 pound women with long legs. I think Shalane is in excellent shape, and should not try to drop weight. However, as has been pointed out above, she is a track runner, and there is a reason why she has done very, very well on the track: she looks like a track runner. Desi and Shalane make for a perfect comparison...Desi is short (5'1") and lean (97 pounds). Simply put: she is little. She looks remarkably similar to her E. African competitors...those who win at 26.2. The gals who go 94, 95, 97 pounds would seem to have an advantage over 26.2.

    I would enjoy seeing Shalane win her hometown marathon, but she does not seem to have the body type for it. She would be better on a flat course, but she is not a little lady. Thin, lean, and incredibly fit, but not "little." Yes, there are exceptions, but being little does seem to help in a marathon.

    Desi looks nothing like an E African and Paula is taller and heavier than Shalane.
  • Coach Lee
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 10:26am CDT
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    It's not the Boston course that beats Shalane up, it's her demeanor of racing when she is in shape to actually win.

    She lacks the patience and composure needed to beat slightly more fit runners. The tactic of pulling out an Uzi and yelling to everyone, "say hello to my little friend!" rarely works. Better to be calm, calculating and then strike like a sniper.

    Neither her or her coach have figured this out. It's quite elementary.
  • there are other reasons
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 10:54am CDT
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    This year - her lack of long runs/prep runs are what hurt her. She was not as prepared.

    Last year - she went out too hard and her form was that of a track race and not a downhill road race.

    Two years ago - she tried to sit and kick. Admitted she is not a great downhill runner in a Runner's World interview.

    I wish she weren't tied to her coach. Schumacher is great - but imagine if she went to Hansons. They always seem to prep their runners well for the grind. Brian Sell and now Desi - I mean they create a 26.2K route that mirrors the course.
  • Pretty sure its this
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 11:28am CDT
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    for a woman with no lips Shalane sure talks a lot
  • Doctor R
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 11:59am CDT
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    I'd never seen either run in video before and was surprised at how much Shalene bounds along. Desi on the other hand seemed so smooth.
  • outsiderunner
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    4 years ago 04/23/2015 12:03pm CDT
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    Deba
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    Keitany (93 pounds!)
    Cherop...

    all tiny ladies.

    Yes, Paula is the exception...she is very, very lean though (under 110).
  • Every year something new
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 12:18pm CDT
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    Last year it was because she was too aggressive and led for too much of the race.

    Then it was because Jeptoo was on drugs

    NO MENTION OF SIZE FOR THE COURSE.

    This year she needed something new so we are now told that she doesn't have the right body type for success on the course. Even though Rotich has a similar body to Shalane and she won.

    The truth is that Shalane thought she needed more closing speed this year and they trained accordingly. She was ill prepared for the course. Closing speed is only important if you are in position to use it.
  • outsiderunner
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    4 years ago 04/23/2015 12:49pm CDT
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    Good points...yes, Rotich has a body similar to that of Shalane...but that little lady battled her all the way to the end. To be honest, when I saw the two of them coming to the line in that last 200m, I thought: Rotich is the winner. In that situation, as long as there is something left in the tank, the runner with the longer legs/stride has the upper hand. Overall, Rotich simply "had it" on that day--enough to hang well with those carrying less weight, and then out-kick a smaller runner at the very end.
  • injury girl
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 12:54pm CDT
    re: check your eyes
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    I thought Shalane weighed around ~105? I am 5'4-5'5 and I weigh around 115 and I look much heavier than her. I doubt she weighs over 110.
  • Riverdale Runner
    4 years ago 04/23/2015 12:57pm CDT
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