EPO shots in Kenyan backroom: $100

Lydiard is God wrote:

But if you kept doping at the same steady rate, especially if it were properly monitored, why would you have wild fluctuations? I suppose, if you stopped doping for a while and got tested, your values would drop suspiciously low compared to the doped baseline.

Perhaps the ones who get busted have less sophisticated operations, and screw up. It wouldn't be much different from warfarin therapy. Keeping your INR within a certain range, once treatment is established, isn't that hard most of the time.

Actually, the EPO test is easy to pass 3-4 days after the last injection.

Why bother? Just bribe the IAAF officials to never test positive.

Yeah, but we're talking about fluctuations in the blood parameters that make up the bio passport, not the presence of EPO and its analogues.

The biopassport is the best thing to happen to countries with more elaborate doping protocals

Lydiard is God wrote:

The superior, more open, though still flawed, model of largely English-speaking Western society at least makes some attempt to bust people and investigate these things.

The Brits have hired practically an entire legal firm to keep the press from releasing the name of one of their superstars who had unusual blood test results and who never underwent the appropriate testing for PED use related to the blood-test findings. This is hardly a sign of trying to investigate "these things". I am not sure that you can say one society is better than the other regarding these matters although the news coming out of Kenya at the moment does not look good. If Kenyan runners were Chinese swimmers they would have been banned from competition by now.

That would be the 'still flawed' bit. At any rate, the individual concerned has the right to try and stop their personal information coming out. They may succeed or fail according to law, but at least there is a process. And if it is corruption on behalf of the national athletics body, or some other organisation, I'd say there's more chance of that coming out sooner in a Western country, due to intrinsically superior systems of governance.

pop_pop! wrote:

Why bother? Just bribe the IAAF officials to never test positive.

Yes, it's that easy.

Spectreman wrote:

The Brits have hired practically an entire legal firm to keep the press from releasing the name of one of their superstars who had unusual blood test results and who never underwent the appropriate testing for PED use related to the blood-test findings. This is hardly a sign of trying to investigate "these things". I am not sure that you can say one society is better than the other regarding these matters although the news coming out of Kenya at the moment does not look good. If Kenyan runners were Chinese swimmers they would have been banned from competition by now.

There's not a single fact in this entire post.

Message Board Madness wrote:

Testing and Altitude wrote:

Lack of testing in Kenya also, aren't there allowances made for athletes born/living/training at altitude?

Is this true or just message board rumour? I see lots of people talking about altitude training effectively gives you a free pass on the bio passport but haven't seen anyone (with any credibility) explain why or how. Is this actually true or just a message board rumour that has taken wings?

Training at altitude should be considered a confounding factor for ABP interpretation for up to four weeks after altitude exposure but does not consistently cause abnormal values in the ABP.

...and WHY we are supposed to be surprised by this news?

Rx wrote:

...and WHY we are supposed to be surprised by this news?

... and WHY do you suppose you're supposed to be surprised?

"London Marathon 2015: Wilson Kipsang defends Kenyans blaming saboteurs for athletes' positive dope tests":

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/london-marathon/11559221/London-Marathon-2015-Wilson-Kipsang-defends-Kenyans-blaming-saboteurs-for-athletes-positive-dope-tests.html

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George213 wrote:

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It is not even $US100 given that it is €65 in Iten with the current exchange rate of 1.19775 =$US77.85