I'm done with the NCAA - They screw the little guy - I mean woman - yet again!!

It's an elimination tournament. Seeding doesn't matter.

I actually agree with Rojo for once.

there is no justification for what the NCAA did to Princeton and UW-Green Bay, none.

They will continue to screw non BC$ schools every year, it'll never stop

The Power 6 Conference Cartel of the NCAA follows the Golden Rule:

Whoever has the gold, makes the rule.

@Rojo

If you actually think the selection committee is going out of their way to screw over Princeton, and did the same to Wichita State last year, you must be either delusional or just plain stupid.

A) What incentive does the WOMEN'S BASKETBALL selection committee have to favor schools in major conferences? No one that makes decisions in football cares about what happens in Women's Basketball.

B) Even if they did favor the major conferences does it really make sense for them to make a potential upset, thus embarrassing the higher seeded team.

I seriously don't understand people that come up with these completely unbased conspiracy theories. Do you really have nothing better to do than think of the most far fetched circumstances possible? Maybe the aliens in Roswell, or Big Foot influenced the selection committee.

JimmyTats wrote:

A) What incentive does the WOMEN'S BASKETBALL selection committee have to favor schools in major conferences? No one that makes decisions in football cares about what happens in Women's Basketball.

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The head of the BASKETBALL committee is from the Big 12. Power conference. End of story. What does this have to do with football? Nothing, we both agree.

JimmyTats wrote:

B) Even if they did favor the major conferences does it really make sense for them to make a potential upset, thus embarrassing the higher seeded team. I seriously don't understand people that come up with these completely unbased conspiracy theories.

Please explain how a team with a 12 in the RPI is seeded 8th. I think that takes care of the "Even if" part of your argument. It's not a conspiracy theory it's a fact.

Seriously, please post your agrument as to how a team with an RPI of 12 should be the # 8 seed.

They NCAA is avoiding the upsets by making them #8. #8 has to play #1 in the 2nd round. #1s in women's hoops are WAY better than everyone else.

If I'm on the committee and someone says to me, "But they haven't played anyone." I'd respond they beat MICHIGAN BY 30 on the road. They beat GEORGETOWN BY 29. The beat Pittsburgh on the road by 16.

They a) tried to play people and b) destroyed everyone they did play.

I just realized their game is on Saturday in College Park. Maybe I'll go. I gotta be in DC for a play at 2:30 anyway and it's on the way.

They NCAA is avoiding the upsets by making them #8. #8 has to play #1 in the 2nd round. #1s in women's hoops are WAY better than everyone else.

if they were a 4 or 5 seed they would have to play the #1 seed in the third round. What's the difference. If they actually are that good it won't matter who they play.

JimmyTats wrote:

@Rojo

If you actually think the selection committee is going out of their way to screw over Princeton, and did the same to Wichita State last year, you must be either delusional or just plain stupid.

A) What incentive does the WOMEN'S BASKETBALL selection committee have to favor schools in major conferences? No one that makes decisions in football cares about what happens in Women's Basketball.

B) Even if they did favor the major conferences does it really make sense for them to make a potential upset, thus embarrassing the higher seeded team.

I seriously don't understand people that come up with these completely unbased conspiracy theories. Do you really have nothing better to do than think of the most far fetched circumstances possible? Maybe the aliens in Roswell, or Big Foot influenced the selection committee.

This...

Nobody watches women's basketball. If they had done something intentionally, it would be to give Princeton an easy road to the final 4. Much better story line, and might pick up viewers.

Are you talking about the Georgetown team that went 4-27 this year? How about the16-14 Michigan women? Princeton should beat those teams by 25 plus points. They are an undefeated team and frankly the "Power" teams they beat aren't that great.

I don't really care about the seeding or women's basketball to be honest but to go off on a rant of conspiracy theory is a fit far fetched. Yes, they are undefeated, but really, whom did they beat? I agree with your argument that no one will play them but that's not the NCAAs fault.

I think this is just a classic case of a good, not great, team having a "magical" year and America wanting to jump on their backs even though its unwarranted. If they truly are that great of a team then they will pull a George Mason or FGC (or other teams with low seeds to make good runs) and beat the teams they should. If anything, they should be happy to be able to play those higher seeds to show whether they are truly legit or not.

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There's a big difference. If you win 2 games, you get to week #2 and get to play in the Sweet 16. Every round is significant. It's like the difference between bombing out in the prelims at NCAAs in track versus making the final but not scoring.

Under your guys theory, the NCAA should just limit track competition to the top 8 runners as that's where the winner is coming from. If you don't win, it doesn't matter is your credo. That's not true.

Yes, I agree with you. You'd think they'd try to help Princeton or WICHITA STATE out last year in the men's tournament. That's what makes it so fascinating - they do whatever they can to protect the power conferences. Instead of helping a good story, they go out of their way to make it harder on them. The power conferences are just too large and too in charge.

Similarly, on the men's side, Murray State is left out in favor of Texas and UCLA. Let's hope that the Princeton women prevail. And let's hope that the SMU men crush the Bruins.

Last night, I watched my obscure college baseball team beat a national power on an error in extras. Hope springs eternal.

I went to Cincinnati during the Nick Van Exel final four days. I have watched the team cruise through a very soft schedule and enter the tournament with a very high seed for many years only to get whooped hard in the first or second round. I actually am very skeptical of teams that can beat the snot out of a very weak conference. I can understand giving a team with a worse record a better shot in the tournament because they have played lots of big games and have not lined up a bunch of laughers.

I thought Robert's rant was a bit over the top.

But if the Committee is stacked with power conference representatives then I can see them favoring the power conferences. They naturally are going to be biased.

An 8 vs 9 in the first round is not a goodmatchup.

At least they are not the 1998 Liberty team. Undefeated and they got a 16 seed.

From 538 before the seeding came out: "Princeton is more similar historically to three undefeated teams in the 1990s that were seeded No. 8 or worse and lost in the first round: Vermont in 1992 and 1993, and 1998 Liberty, which was knocked out by fellow undefeated team Tennessee. But Princeton will probably do better than those three teams did — it likely will be ranked higher in the final pre-tournament AP poll, and it has a greater margin of victory"

Wiki says RPI is calculated as

RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25)

WP is winning percentage

OWP is opponents winning percentage

OOWP is opponents opponents winning percentage

Princeton has obviously figured out how to get good teams to play them if they are ranked 12th by the RPI. The RPI stat itself just needs to be improved to convince people like cincy bearsplats.

What would happen if OWP and OOWP only counted opponents games played on the road. That way bringing in cupcake teams doesn't help. You have to travel to the cupcake's home court and beat them. The Tournament is all about road games so why not?

Princeton's men's team has a history of being similarly treated by the NCAA. In the 97-98 season the men's Tiger team went 26-1 in the regular season. Their only loss was to #1 UNC by 8 points at Chapel Hill. The Tigers ended the season ranked 8th in the AP poll and were "rewarded" with a #5 seed. After beating UNLV in the first round, Princeton fell to Michigan State in round 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Princeton_Tigers_men%27s_basketball_team

The men's team of 90-91 was the 18th/20th ranked team nationally after a season in which they went 24-2. It's two losses were to the Larry Johnson UNLV team and Santa Clara. Their best wins were over UCSB and Rutgers though in this era scheduling non-conference games was difficult for Princeton due to the near victories over Georgetown and Arkansas in the prior two tournaments. The Tigers got an 8 seed and fell by two on the final shot to Villanova.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Princeton_Tigers_men%27s_basketball_team

Rojo

Women's sports are beginning to gain some reputation. Almost as much as men's programs. However, this is just part of the process. I would imagine the powers that be, decided among themselves that the Ivy league is a weak conference, and that the Princeton record is inflated. Best bet, win. That's all. win.

Personally, I don't watch girls sports outside of track.

Whenever there is large amounts of money. Or things that are basically the equivalent (societal reputation), then unless you have a very powerful accountability structures, expect to see the most shameless abuses.

runnerwhoprofesses wrote:

Similarly, on the men's side, Murray State is left out in favor of Texas and UCLA. Let's hope that the Princeton women prevail. And let's hope that the SMU men crush the Bruins.

Last night, I watched my obscure college baseball team beat a national power on an error in extras. Hope springs eternal.

I checked out a bit of the MSU game last night. If they were the "first out" of the NCAA tourney, why are they a 3 seed in the NIT? How does the NIT seed their teams?

Rojo cracks me up. Admits he didn't even know his alma mater was so good, then goes on a rant. Sweet...he flinched!!!!!!

marathnr wrote:

there is no justification for what the NCAA did to Princeton and UW-Green Bay, none.

They will continue to screw non BC$ schools every year, it'll never stop

So flipping tired of hearing the wee conferences constantly whining and over-playing the disrespect card. Look at your weak small and mid-major conferences, the average programs within those conferences, and then gladly swallow your dose of reality.