Mo Farah gets his first World Record - 8:03.40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jjjjjjj wrote:Dejen at 3:27/7:18/12:32-33, you've just jumped the shark. 12:46 was worth 12:32. This is the stupidest thing you've ever said, and that is saying something. Sometimes your stuff makes some sense. 12:32! What a joke.

learn to think

dejene effectively ran 12'45 with a 53+ last lap

kennster never broke 12'50 when putting in a 53+ finish

dejene in that paris race was far superior to what kennster had ever been & if we assume kennster was in 12'34/12'35 shape in his 12'37wr with a 57+ finish, i have little doubt dejene was in 12'32/12'33 shape where he woud only muster a 60+ last lap & not 53+

dejene shouda slaughtered mo in games but clearly left his best race on paris track

So you prefer using more than 140 characters to show your stupidity

Yes there are mountains in Europe but they're cold and have terrible conditions this time of the year, same goes for The U.S.

Africa is the only way and mo wanted to be around the Jama aden group so he went to Ethiopia not Kenya this time

ventolin^3 wrote:

jjjjjjj wrote:Dejen at 3:27/7:18/12:32-33, you've just jumped the shark. 12:46 was worth 12:32. This is the stupidest thing you've ever said, and that is saying something. Sometimes your stuff makes some sense. 12:32! What a joke.

learn to think

dejene effectively ran 12'45 with a 53+ last lap

kennster never broke 12'50 when putting in a 53+ finish

That's not true Ventolin. Bekele ran a 12:48 with a 53.03 last lap in Zurich in 2006

Video:

Knower of geography wrote:

Yes there are mountains in Europe but they're cold and have terrible conditions this time of the year, same goes for The U.S.

Africa is the only way and mo wanted to be around the Jama aden group so he went to Ethiopia not Kenya this time

to put it bluntly:

there are many, many places in the upland regions of spain, portugal or italy to comply with salubrious, congenial training conditions right now.

africa is not the only way. who created this popular myth? why?

to support inspiration - anselm lebourne, quote:

"i believe that no type of inclement weather is a hindrance to me training. my philosophy is that rain, snow or cold weather does not prevent me from training outside, since I believe if my competition is taking days off because of the weather, i will eventually have the upper hand on them."

Altitude is code for doping and dodging testing

Fly in from Ethiopia, break the world record

Drug test is disregarded because you have recently been at "altitude"

mark b wrote:

Lesson for all athletes; just train and compete, that's all we are interested in.

Speak for yourself and keep your lessons to yourself bonehead.

Nobody with any degree of intellect "tweets"...Impossible to say anything vaguely intelligent/nuanced...

Only an idiot would say something like this. For instance here's an example of being nuanced, as opposed to vaguely intelligent, that could be posted on Twitter: "Being slightly cynical can anyone explain why Ethiopia has replaced Kenya as Farah's altitude training base of choice?"

Also, instead of being "nuanced" by being "slightly cynical" and asking a question why not be "vaguely intelligent" and say why you're "slightly cynical" after all, there's no "constraints" on the LR message board. Perhaps you think you're being clever.

Coach.. wrote:

Altitude is code for doping and dodging testing

Fly in from Ethiopia, break the world record

Drug test is disregarded because you have recently been at "altitude"

A non-nuanced post. Thanks.

Knower of geography wrote:

to put it bluntly:

there are many, many places in the upland regions of spain, portugal or italy to comply with salubrious, congenial training conditions right now.

Which places, specifically, are you referring to? Do they have good networks of unpaved roads with decent footing (Mo is not a cyclist)? A track? A critical mass of potential training partners? What altitude are they at?

Knower of geography wrote:

i believe that no type of inclement weather is a hindrance to me training. my philosophy is that rain, snow or cold weather does not prevent me from training outside, since I believe if my competition is taking days off because of the weather, i will eventually have the upper hand on them.

That's a lovely thought. Athletes like Mo actually have a choice, though. They can choose to train in crappy weather, or they can choose to train in good weather. You can argue that training in crappy weather would make them tougher, but it's hard to claim that those who choose good weather are being irrational.

charly horse wrote:

to put it bluntly:

there are many, many places in the upland regions of spain, portugal or italy to comply with salubrious, congenial training conditions right now.

africa is not the only way. who created this popular myth? why?

Where in Europe is there a vast area of terrain at 6000-8000 ft where you can train in 60-70 degree weather year round with the best training partners in the world? I can't think of anything even remotely similar anywhere in Europe. Care to enlighten me?

If it's so good out there why isn't NOP and British Athletics trucking plane loads of athletes over and back

Are Renato and Hermens transporting their Chinese crew to Iten and Addis Ababa for "altitude"

British Athletics ARE truckimg plane loads forth and back to Iten, which is in Kenya.NOP's best athlete also spends all of winter there

Coach.. wrote:

If it's so good out there why isn't NOP and British Athletics trucking plane loads of athletes over and back

Are Renato and Hermens transporting their Chinese crew to Iten and Addis Ababa for "altitude"

ventolin^3 wrote:

jjjjjjj wrote:Dejen at 3:27/7:18/12:32-33, you've just jumped the shark. 12:46 was worth 12:32. This is the stupidest thing you've ever said, and that is saying something. Sometimes your stuff makes some sense. 12:32! What a joke.

learn to think

dejene effectively ran 12'45 with a 53+ last lap

kennster never broke 12'50 when putting in a 53+ finish

dejene in that paris race was far superior to what kennster had ever been & if we assume kennster was in 12'34/12'35 shape in his 12'37wr with a 57+ finish, i have little doubt dejene was in 12'32/12'33 shape where he woud only muster a 60+ last lap & not 53+

dejene shouda slaughtered mo in games but clearly left his best race on paris track

Ditto, Ventolin, you need to "learn to think" as well. Even if Kenenisa never broke 12:50 when running a 53-second last lap (a claim already shown to be false by someone else before my post), I ask when was Kenenisa ever pushed to do so?

For the record, I am a huge Dejen fan, and I hope he or someone else can de-throne Mo this year at Worlds. But...

To say that Dejen should have slaughtered Mo in London, 2012 is a little far-fetched. True, he should have considered going for a fast race based on the disparity between their personal bests at the time. However, the fact that Mo had to recover from the 10,000m in addition to the 5,000m heat, says that he was an even faster sprint-finisher at the time than the gap between their finishes indicated, as Dejen only had to recover from the 5,000m heat.

Btw, it's Dejen, not Dejene.

I also take issue with you attempting to use everyone's name correctly except Kenenisa Bekele's. Why go out of your way to write Kennster? Seems disrespectful to me.

I also challenge your seemingly endless extrapolation of runners' abilities on equivalency charts. Sure, a 7:18 may be worth 3:27 (which I'll allow for the sake of this argument), but only for a guy who's a 1500m/3000m guy. Eventually, as you choose runners with best-suited distances farther and farther from 1500m/3000m, they just won't have enough fast-twitch fibers to get it done. In other words, the equivalency charts only apply to each runner for distances immediately adjacent to their best distances. You see this all the time in the opposite direction as mid-d guys move up to longer distances. An example is Alan Webb. 3:46 mile, but 'only' 13:10 5000m. Or Bernard Lagat: 3:26 1500m but 'only' 12:53 5000m. Those guys just don't have the slow-twitch fibers to get it done. So equivalency charts don't always work within the context of a single runner.

Finally, jjjjjjj was dead-on. 12:46 with 53-last-lap in lane 2 does NOT imply 12:37, let alone 12:32. The talent gap between even 12:40 and 12:46 is at least as great as the gap between 12:46 and 12:53, and that talent gap is greater than the gap between 12:53 and 13:12. I estimate this by looking at the number of guys who ever did it, on a logarithmic scale. 3 guys went sub-12:46 ever, exactly 30 guys went sub-12:53, making sub-12:46 10 times more difficult to do. 268 guys have ever gone sub-13:12, but 13:12 is where IAAF's list ends. Going from 13:12 alone down to 12:53 is 19 seconds, and going from 12:53 down to 12:46 is 7 seconds. That's a contraction by a factor of about 0.368. Applying that contraction to the 7-second gap, you arrive at the idea that simply going sub-12:43.50 is about 10 times more difficult than going sub-12:46. This makes Kenenisa's 12:37.35 even more amazing than the un-believability of your assertion than Dejen, or anyone, for that matter, has enough gas in the tank and the engine to burn it to run 12:32.

Let's get real wrote:

.... This makes Kenenisa's 12:37.35 even more amazing than the un-believability of your assertion than Dejen, or anyone, for that matter, has enough gas in the tank and the engine to burn it to run 12:32.

+1

Watch Komen's 12:39 run sometime; he was a phenomenal talent, yet look at how much gas he had left in the tank when he finished that run. he might've been able to go quicker, sometime, but 12:32 is a HUGA gap for someone already at the edge of their ability/talent/endurance.

wtfunny wrote:Watch Komen's 12:39 run sometime; he was a phenomenal talent, yet look at how much gas he had left in the tank when he finished that run. he might've been able to go quicker, sometime, but 12:32 is a HUGA gap for someone already at the edge of their ability/talent/endurance.

you forget komen was young & improving

he mighta been able to go 12'37 at perfect even-pace in his wr, but it is viewed by guys such as kada, who was hicham's coach, that komen's career peak was '98 indoor season when he was helluva lot better than he had ever been before

that means many secs faster than a possible 12'37 from before

go type in google : "kada way komen budapest" & read pages from his book

unfortunately for komen, it appears.that indoor season finished him despite a 2 mile outdoor wr that year

eh ???

he was pushed plenty of times on circuit running 12'50+ with 53+ & slaughtered by chebbi, songok & bernie on last lap

learn to read

i said he left his best racing in paris & appeared nowhere as good in london

in fact he has never looked anywhere as good as his paris effort since

no

you seem to not understand the meaning of "equivalency"

i have not done charts for any type of runner but simply what a clocking at 1 event = for another

hicham's 3'26.00 works out on my charts as strongest middle/distance wr =

1'40.80

2'10.02

4'42.23

7'17.61

12'34.25

26'05.07

no one woud ever claim he was capble of those for 800/1k/3k/5k, but it doesn't detract from my conclusion it is best clocking in the books

no

see above

no

in his best competitive race effort on circuit as opposed to wr attempt, he managed a 53+ in a 12'48

dejene ran effectively a 53+ in a 12'45 considering the ~ 6m extra run wide on the bends

that is lot better than kennster's best effort & anyone with sense woud conclude he woud have to be judged a far superior 5k runner on that basis

non-kennster guys are supposed to finish 12'45s in a 61+ lap

NOT 53+ !!!

learn some logic :

how fast woud the pace have to be to the bell where dejene coud only manage 61s for last lap ???

your assertions & maths make little sense

it takes no account of how little interest ther has been to chasing quick 5k times

until the paris race, no guy apart from kennster had gone sub-12'50 in 7y

then finally, in a race where koech bothered to offer some pace in 4th km, & that wasn't all that great at 2'35 & he then slowed a lot in next 1.5 laps wanting someone else to do some work, 6 guys go sub-12'50 !!!

& mo & rupp & bernie & soi weren't in this race, which wouda virtually certainly made it 10 guys under 12'50

no it doesn't

dejene has far better performance than kennster in their fastest ever "tactical" 5ks

i wouda bet good money if he'd faced kennster on his 12'37wr day, he wouda hammered him

the next 3 in paris woudn't have been that far behind kennster either

that is lot better than kennster's best effort & anyone with sense woud conclude he woud have to be judged a far superior 5k runner on that basis

Complete Bull. He ran 12:46 with a 54 last lap in Paris and still got whooped by Farah in the Olympic 5000m. THATS REALITY. THATS WHAT HAPPENED. NO WHAT IF SCENARIOS OR HYPOTHETICALS. In Zurich, Bekele ran a 12:48 5k with a 53.03 last lap with the last 300 about 38.06 sec. It's funny how you went from saying "kennester never ran 53 sub 12:50" to be proven WRONG in which you didn't even acknowledge that you were wrong.. So saying that Dejen was better than bekele was in the 5k based off of one good performance is definitely reaching. BTW, his name is Kenenisa Bekele.....not kennester. You disrespectful douch.

charly horse wrote:

there are many, many places in the upland regions of spain, portugal or italy to comply with salubrious, congenial training conditions right now.

africa is not the only way. who created this popular myth? why?"

Try finding a mountain in Europe over 5,000 feet which isn't covered in snow at the moment. You won't.

Lame Poster exposed wrote:Complete Bull. He ran 12:46 with a 54 last lap in Paris and still got whooped by Farah in the Olympic 5000m

get a clue

watch paris vid

he runs whole last lap out wide meaning ~ extra 6m, meaning an ~ 53-high finish in a 12'45 & he only kicks hard in last 150m

i said he was in nowhere like this shape ever again

get a clue :

no one wouda expected mo to outsprint a guy who coud sprint 53+ in 12'45 effective

dejene was in probably

3'27+

shape in paris

THATS REALITY. THATS WHAT HAPPENED. NO WHAT IF SCENARIOS OR HYPOTHETICALS

clueless

these things only matter if you bring same form to biggest race

dejene clearly left all his best running in paris & nowhere as good in games

So saying that Dejen was better than bekele was in the 5k based off of one good performance is definitely reaching

nonsense

the wr is also "one good performance"

it's dejene's bad luck that his "one good performance" wasn't nearer 11'40 at the bell but more a pathetic ~ 12'55 to it

Ventolin

You are overlooking the fact that DG received more drafting benefit than KB in the 1246 vs 1237.