Mo Farah gets his first World Record - 8:03.40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Da cheetah exposed wrote:

I can't believe peopke think he's clean. What Amdy didn't mention that Mo has to time his races with his protocols.

Hopefully in a few years he will be exposed.

You do know that Mo has had seasons where he has raced XC, indoors and outdoors and that NOP are the most tested athletes in the world.

mr. obvious wrote:In other words you have tables you created which bear no relationship to reality

no

it is your inability to think

1500 & 800 are developed events

1500wr is the best wr of any middle/distance track record on just pure number basis, albeit Rudy's is a better intrinsic performance, but rounds/ridiculous opening 200/solo, from gun-tape cost him the better number

10k is an extinct event, woefully under-developed in last decade

find a neurone & consider sammy who ran 26'41 off ridiculous 26'16 pace at 6k when just 18y

he never ran another track 10k again

what do you think his 10k wouda been at 21y if he'd stuck to track ???

TrackCoach wrote:

...NOP are the most tested athletes in the world.

In-house testing doesn't count.

TrackCoach wrote:

Da cheetah exposed wrote:

I can't believe peopke think he's clean. What Amdy didn't mention that Mo has to time his races with his protocols.

Hopefully in a few years he will be exposed.

You do know that Mo has had seasons where he has raced XC, indoors and outdoors and that NOP are the most tested athletes in the world.

How many tests did Lance fail? Marion Jones?

Mo hasn't run XC for years and years...before he "suddenly" got good.

What people fail to mention is that Mo and Bekele are almost the same age, yet Kenenisa set his record 7 years ago. You don't see KB setting those kinds of records.

Mo and Bekele are not the same age though. You can't discount Ethiopian age cheating. Bekele is probably 4/5 years older than Mo.

Da Cheetah wrote:

How many tests did Lance fail?

At least two, what's yer point?

Get Ducked wrote:

Was there a world class field assembled for an indoor two mile race somewhere else in the world that Mo was ducking?

There wasn't a race he was ducking.

I clearly think the critics should shut but no one would have been upset if this was hyped as world record attempt. When it wasn't being hyped as such, people started to get critical based on what has happened in the past.

Wthout the WR, people probably would have been upset. The obvious big cat missing was Gebremeskel.

The #1 contender besides Farah in this race - the 2015 world #2 at 3000 Paul Kipsiele Koech- ended up being the rabbit. So basically in this race you had Farah racing a 40 year old as we explained in our pre-race analysis.

Now in reality, you had Farah racing history and it ended up being great.

Yeah, Farah's 3:28 is a great PERFORMANCE, but it's not his best event. Very unlikely he could dominate in tactical championship races over 1500 like he does in 5/10k. His kick is very good for a long distance track runner, particularly with a fast penultimate lap, but it's only average for a 1500 runner. He can hold off 5/10k fields on the last lap, but he could not do the same for a 1500 field.

Mrr82 wrote:

how anti-climatic....

The weather really wasn't much of a factor.

Gary Oldman wrote:

illegitimate wrote:

I'm not saying his 1500 isn't better than his 10k. BUT to say someone's BEST event is the 1500m while DOMINATING the 10k on the world stage for YEARS is unprecedented and supports the thought that his best event is somewhere between the two distances. HIS 1500 IS BETTER THAN HIS 10K I WILL ADMIT THAT ON AN ABSOLUTE PERFORMANCE BASIS, BUT HIS 1500 IS NOT HIS VERY ABSOLUTE BEST EVENT - NOBODY CAN WIN LIKE HE HAS AT 10K IF THEIR BEST EVENT IS THE 1500

reading comprehension people

He turns the longer races into 1500m races.

Not to rehash an old stuff..... but I'm still amazed that his competition let him do exactly that on so many big stages. Busting out a time like this should remind people... but instead it will happen again this summer.

yourmom.com wrote:

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He turns the longer races into 1500m races.

Not to rehash an old stuff..... but I'm still amazed that his competition let him do exactly that on so many big stages. Busting out a time like this should remind people... but instead it will happen again this summer.[/quote]

He has learned hypnotic techniques he employs at the start line. His rivals become zombie pawns at his disposal. The "Mobot" is actually symbolic of how he got into everyone's heads and dictated events.

kkfk wrote:

illegitimate wrote:

Agreed with this & disagree with others. Very difficult to say that his best event is 1500m while he has dominated the 10k so strongly over the years. Perhaps his 15 eclipses his 10k but there's no way to say 15 is his best.

How is it "very difficult"? It is as simple as looking at the times. Is his 10k time better than 3:28? You are having trouble the difference between best timewise and dominating. It's not very difficult at all. It is basic math.

After Mo's 3:28 1500m in 2013 -

Renato Canova wrote:

Don't think the real value of Mo is 12'53". He ran already 12'57" in 2010, when we worked together for some month in Iten, in Zurich, and now is very much stronger, after going to Salazar. To think can run near 12'40" is something reasonable, such as the possibility of running under 26'30" in 10000m.

Now in reality, you had Farah racing history and it ended up being great.

Race? Well, it was a great time trial, and Lagat was an excellent unofficial pacer. Hey, it *was* exciting, and gave the fans what they wanted, which is good for promoting Track. Just wish there was some other great runners in it that's all.

The organizers deliberately didn't invite the talent, but they could have made it more interesting, as you suggest, by hyping it as a WR attempt. He plays his cards too close to his chest for a race that's still early season and no big deal if it doesn't pan out.

Mo is clever, at least i think it's Mo. Want i want to know, is it Mo, his agent, Alberto or someone else who'se responsible for setting up these uncompetitive time trials? Rupp is maybe still sick or overtrained (as is Levins), but it would be fascinating to see all 3 in the race, they're likely going to face each other anyway in the 10, so let see a few practice sessions!

I like that Renato shares his experience and his thoughts here, and he knows far more about running than I ever will ... but I disagree with this remark.

3 people in history have ever run anything even NEAR 12:40.

Gebremeskel, who Mo has shown himself to be marginally faster than (Geb ran a faster last lap than Mo did in London 2012" finishing just behind Mo) hasn't come within six seconds of 12:40.

El G ran 2:26. Nearly 3 seconds faster than Mo at 1500m, and he never came anywhere near 12:40.

Statistically, 12:40 for 5000m doesn't even exist.

Vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqNMuvjF2Jo

Wtfunny wrote:

I like that Renato shares his experience and his thoughts here, and he knows far more about running than I ever will ... but I disagree with this remark.

3 people in history have ever run anything even NEAR 12:40.

Gebremeskel, who Mo has shown himself to be marginally faster than (Geb ran a faster last lap than Mo did in London 2012" finishing just behind Mo) hasn't come within six seconds of 12:40.

El G ran 2:26. Nearly 3 seconds faster than Mo at 1500m, and he never came anywhere near 12:40.

Statistically, 12:40 for 5000m doesn't even exist.

Dejene did not run a faster lap than Mo did at London. It was as slow or a little slower. Dejene also ran the last lap of his 12:46 in 54, so he would be a good candidate to run around 12:40 as well.

HardLoper wrote:Dejene also ran the last lap of his 12:46 in 54, so he would be a good candidate to run around 12:40 as well

Worth noting iirc :

He ran both bends of last lap on/in lane 2 line !!!

That makes ~ 6m+ extra distance on last lap, making his 12'46+/54+ more like

12'45+ / 53+

only Kennster has run 53+ in races not far off 12'50

he has never run a 53+ in a < 12'50

( albeit Eliud in his '03wc win wouda been quick - check his last lap & final time

Chebii was quite simply most brutal kicker i ever saw at 5k outsida Bernie '06 & ~ 51+ crushing Kennster in 12'59 :

when Chebii got his peak race in '03, he flattened Kennster & Geb in last lap of quickish race

most awesome last lap i have seen in a fast 5k along with Bernie's & Chebii's

Dejene was in maybe, that day

~ 3'27+ / 7'18+ / 12'32/12'33+

he was at peak probably far beyond Kennster & only fractionally surpassed by Komen in his '98i shape

Sorry, Mo was impressive, but it's a world best, not a world record. That's not just a technicality, as there have been several equivalent 3000i performances in the past few years.

Why Farah never chases more solid records is an enduring mystery.

Maux Bawt wrote:

kkfk wrote:

False. He has run nothing close to 3:28 in those events. 1500 is his best distance so far.

True. 1500 is Mo's best event BY FAR.

Interesting that Alberto took a 1500 runner and converted him to a 5k/10k Olympic Champion. I'm sure there are plenty of ncaa/us 1500 guys that could compete for gold if they moved up to the 5k/10k. Cristian Seratos????

Then again, we're still in the EPO era for the most part, where you have 1:47 800 guys running the 1500 under 3:34 which is likely impossible without drugs. lol