Amazing, can't wait to see her bomb outdoors.
Amazing, can't wait to see her bomb outdoors.
TrackCoach wrote:
The banking negates the tight turns and anything over 800m is not subject to centrifugal force
And we're not subject to gravity either.
Actual 3200m split was 9:11.98
9:15, 3 as the conversion to two miles seems valid
Les wrote:
Probably should amend that to say "for distance runners." For sprinters, who go much faster, the tight turns seriously slow them down. 200 indoor WR: 19.92 outdoor WR: 19.19, 400 indoor WR: 44.57 outdoor WR 43.19.
That is really bad analysis. For example, is the guy that ran the indoor 200 record the same guy that ran the outdoor 200 record?
towter wrote:
Les wrote:Probably should amend that to say "for distance runners." For sprinters, who go much faster, the tight turns seriously slow them down. 200 indoor WR: 19.92 outdoor WR: 19.19, 400 indoor WR: 44.57 outdoor WR 43.19.
That is really bad analysis. For example, is the guy that ran the indoor 200 record the same guy that ran the outdoor 200 record?
If Rojo's hypothesis is correct, that you can run nearly as fast indoors as outdoors, then the world records should be nearly the same. Instead, they are much faster outdoors. But for individual comparison's sake: Frank Fredericks 200 indoor WR 19.92. Outdoor 200: 19.68. Michael Johnson 400 indoor 44.63. 400 outdoor WR 43.18. Usain Bolt 100 indoor WR 9.98. 100 outdoor WR 9.58.
Les wrote:
If Rojo's hypothesis is correct, that you can run nearly as fast indoors as outdoors, then the world records should be nearly the same. Instead, they are much faster outdoors. But for individual comparison's sake: Frank Fredericks 200 indoor WR 19.92. Outdoor 200: 19.68. Michael Johnson 400 indoor 44.63. 400 outdoor WR 43.18. Usain Bolt 100 indoor WR 9.98. 100 outdoor WR 9.58.
No, bad analysis again. For example, are those times run during the same part of training? You aren't using Rojo's hypothesis. You've changed it and incorrectly used it.
And Bekele's 3000m split in his 5000m world record was 7:37, which is what, only 7 seconds slower than the Galen Rupp's indoor 3k. Maybe not as crazy as Defar's split relative to Simpson's AR, but close.
Les wrote:
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If Rojo's hypothesis is correct, that you can run nearly as fast indoors as outdoors, then the world records should be nearly the same. Instead, they are much faster outdoors. But for individual comparison's sake: Frank Fredericks 200 indoor WR 19.92. Outdoor 200: 19.68. Michael Johnson 400 indoor 44.63. 400 outdoor WR 43.18. Usain Bolt 100 indoor WR 9.98. 100 outdoor WR 9.58.
rojo points out, and is right, that almost nobody gives indoor hte priority of outdoor. If you could assemble DL quality fields, all at their peak, the records would go tumbling.
NCAA shows this more if you compare the number of sub-4:00 milers indoors with sub 3:42 1500 outdoors
rojo wrote:
We're working on a brief recap with some analysis and screen shots but thought Id' share with you all now (we always try to reward messageboarders).
Quick Take #**: Let's Try To Put This In Perspective For You: Dibaba's 2-Mile Split Was Faster Than Jenny Simpson's American Record
How good is 14:18.88? Very good.
Two weeks ago in Boston, one of the highlights of the 2015 New Balance Indoor Grand Prix was Jenny Simpson’s 9:18.35 American record for 2-miles.
Well a 14:18.88 5000 evenly run would take Dibaba through 2 miles in 9:12.78. Based on Dibaba’s 3000 split and what she ran for the next 1k, we’d estimate she actually ran through 2-miles in about 9:15.26.
My math tells me 2 miles at her 5000m pace would be 9:12.89, but it is clear I am nitpicking here...
towter wrote:
Les wrote:Probably should amend that to say "for distance runners." For sprinters, who go much faster, the tight turns seriously slow them down. 200 indoor WR: 19.92 outdoor WR: 19.19, 400 indoor WR: 44.57 outdoor WR 43.19.
That is really bad analysis. For example, is the guy that ran the indoor 200 record the same guy that ran the outdoor 200 record?
No but he did run a quarter second faster outdoors.
Were there seriously no pacers for a 5000 only a few seconds behind the WR? That's unheard of.
towter wrote:
Les wrote:Probably should amend that to say "for distance runners." For sprinters, who go much faster, the tight turns seriously slow them down. 200 indoor WR: 19.92 outdoor WR: 19.19, 400 indoor WR: 44.57 outdoor WR 43.19.
That is really bad analysis. For example, is the guy that ran the indoor 200 record the same guy that ran the outdoor 200 record?
Whether or not the example he used to support his point was a good one, his point is correct.
The difference in finishing time between outdoors & indoors for a given race distance that navigates at least one turn, given the same effort, will be greater at higher speeds than lower speeds.
towter wrote:
Les wrote:If Rojo's hypothesis is correct, that you can run nearly as fast indoors as outdoors, then the world records should be nearly the same. Instead, they are much faster outdoors. But for individual comparison's sake: Frank Fredericks 200 indoor WR 19.92. Outdoor 200: 19.68. Michael Johnson 400 indoor 44.63. 400 outdoor WR 43.18. Usain Bolt 100 indoor WR 9.98. 100 outdoor WR 9.58.
No, bad analysis again. For example, are those times run during the same part of training? You aren't using Rojo's hypothesis. You've changed it and incorrectly used it.
I think you're talking about a single specific athlete. I'm talking about the history of track and field. Everyone.
reely stupid wrote:
rojo wrote:We're working on a brief recap with some analysis and screen shots but thought Id' share with you all now (we always try to reward messageboarders).
Quick Take #**: Let's Try To Put This In Perspective For You: Dibaba's 2-Mile Split Was Faster Than Jenny Simpson's American Record
How good is 14:18.88? Very good.
Two weeks ago in Boston, one of the highlights of the 2015 New Balance Indoor Grand Prix was Jenny Simpson’s 9:18.35 American record for 2-miles.
Well a 14:18.88 5000 evenly run would take Dibaba through 2 miles in 9:12.78. Based on Dibaba’s 3000 split and what she ran for the next 1k, we’d estimate she actually ran through 2-miles in about 9:15.26.
My math tells me 2 miles at her 5000m pace would be 9:12.89, but it is clear I am nitpicking here...
Actually, to further pick nits, I was using your 14:18.88, when I guess it was really 14:18.86, so 2 miles at her 5000m pace would be 9:12.88. A solid high school time for a boy.
I hate to say it, but I think Dibaba's dirty.
Loot wrote:
Let's face it, Genzebe's success is good for the sport, she's a beauty queen in spikes.
If she goes sub 14, I'm getting naked. Voluntarily, with exuberance. In celebration of the human body, vitality, fertility, happiness.
it does seem a little too good to be true, doesn't it?
9:11.98 thru 3200 so rojo's right, like 9:15 for 2 miles
lukaskakaka wrote:
Were there seriously no pacers for a 5000 only a few seconds behind the WR? That's unheard of.
I watched the race live streaming and there were two good pacers early on, who appeared to help Dibaba out by doing a fine job and pulling her away from the pack almost from the get-go. They kept up a great pace, but from the live coverage we couldn't tell exactly how long they lasted, as the broadcast spent about 95 percent of the first 3K away from the race, focusing instead on field sports.
Good news, she's not. Bad news, you're just an idiot
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