Trollus Maximus wrote:
Is there any semblance of truth to this? Just curious on how NOP started being associated with dope?
NikeEPOProject wrote:Fixed
NOP athletes use anything that is legal to enhance performance.. Remedies for asthma, thyroid, etc. They also use advanced recovery, cryo, alter g, etc. They are vocal about these things and consequently are tested for PEDs more than other camps.
[quote]Carrot dumpling wrote:
Wasn't Brown or someone or another actually Slaney's coach during the time in question? I'm not sure. Nevertheless, imagine if every NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB or MLS coach who maybe coached one player that was dirty 20 years ago was held to the same standard. Keep imagining that every player that subsequently played for that coach was considered 100% guilty by association. That would be totally absurd...
[quote]Boldt wrote:
She was being coached by Salazar at the time. I am not saying guilty by association, but the conversation was about where rumors stemmed from. The rumors probably still linger from this era.
truth8654 wrote:
row row rowbury your boat wrote:I know this has been said a TRILLION times already on here, but Mary is 18. She is 18. She is adapting to a training life that extends beyond riding so much natural talent. Even if her training was more than 10% responsible for her past results (which I would blindly argue against with anyone), she is settled into a different world and different life. I know we here on this boards that know everything about everything will say she has been a Pro for a year and has had ample time to adapt, but she is 18. She is developing in every aspect of her life, not just training and racing. It seems silly and prophetic to assume this situation is the end of her, or anything more than bad timing for sickness mixed with Mary's continued development.
That being said, there is work to do.
+1
also, what is the point of running well now?
She hasn't had a really good race, by her standards, since winning indoors at altitude one full year ago. Then she pulled out of worlds with what was supposed to be something very minor.
Outdoors was a struggle. Second at USA's was respectable but she didn't have the same snap. World Juniors was a nice PR moment but a slow race against a weak field.
Then she backed out of her scheduled Diamond League races and Salazar later admitted it was because her training just wasn't good enough. And there was no real explanation for it.
It's 2015 and her PRs are from 2013. At this age, that is a problem. The trend is not her friend.
There is one reason for her diminished performance here that everyone is overlooking. That is, she is turning into a woman! These bodily changes can have a drastic negative affect on a woman, particularly one who runs.
tundrag wrote:agree---look at the pictures--she is a little more filled out than last year---not a criticism, just an observation---at her level a few lbs make all the difference
There is one reason for her diminished performance here that everyone is overlooking. That is, she is turning into a woman! These bodily changes can have a drastic negative affect on a woman, particularly one who runs.
She ran 4:11.01 (1500) two and a half years ago (Junior World's). She ran 4:31.31 (mile) last week at Millrose, which converts roughly to the 4:11. The rest of her times this year are comparable in the 600, 800, 1k. Also her run in the 5th Ave mile last year.In defense of Salazar this may not be her peak this year, but the times she's running now under his tutelage are comparable to what she ran pre-Salazar. Not hard to understand why she didn't want to make the trek to the UK.She actually seem to have lost some speed in the last year, and her famous kick has completely vanished. That's a bit odd given the emphasis that Salazar puts on foundational speed work. Her injury last year seems to have been a real inflection point for her performances, and might still be influencing her training program. If it's an attitude issue (which I doubt) it's certainly not evident in the few public interviews she has given. It might just be part of a normal cycle we see in a lot of middle distance runners, and especially young runners as they mature, so we'll have to wait and see. But if she decides to change coaches ( a decision that might be wanted if things continue this way through USATF this year), she may have a tough time finding a new home. This is the downside of her early decision to turn pro.
jjjjj wrote:
A cold will affect anyone, but we have not seen a lot of positive results from Cain for a long time. It is pretty hard to ruin a talent like that, but it seems to me from the outside like she lost motivation within a year of turning pro. Without full buy-in, there's no chance.
Wow they really missed the cycles on this one.
Time for a trip to Dr. Brown.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072
Bleu wrote:
Who cares. She couldn't even win NCAA's indoor right now. She has no business running in England.
Gonna have to disagree on this one. She'd have a solid chance from 800 to 3000.
tundrag wrote:
There is one reason for her diminished performance here that everyone is overlooking. That is, she is turning into a woman! These bodily changes can have a drastic negative affect on a woman, particularly one who runs.
Yes, the evidence is there in pictures of her. If you look at a full body shot where she's not running her hips are wider now than they were a year or two ago. Her body development has slowed her running development. Hasay was the same way at the same age. No PRs for 3 years for Hasay. Cain I think will adjust. Problem is, with Hasay she was in college and protected from big expectations. Cain doing so well in high school and then turning pro, there's no protection there from big expectations - her own and the public's. With big meets the next two years there could be big disappointments as well for her.
I talked to her for a few minutes after millrose, she seemed a bit off, running wise but she seemed to be in high spirits. So dont count her out yet.
Yes, she is 18 but she was better when she was 17 so that isn't a good trend. Lots of female runners can't get better when they mature. I have been saying for 2 years she is over hyped and would never have the results Simpson and Rowbury have. She isn't retired but so far she is proving me right.
not the lipstick wrote:
broter wrote:From Millrose, Rowbury is NOT a female Centro. That lipstick still has me creeped out
The slicked down hair was too much, and made the lipstick stand out.
She was going for a "Flamenco" look, I am guessing. Kind of combining her dance backround with a nod to Pablo?
boldt wrote:
[quote]Carrot dumpling wrote:
Wasn't Brown or someone or another actually Slaney's coach during the time in question? I'm not sure. Nevertheless, imagine if every NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB or MLS coach who maybe coached one player that was dirty 20 years ago was held to the same standard. Keep imagining that every player that subsequently played for that coach was considered 100% guilty by association. That would be totally absurd...
[quote]Boldt wrote:
She was being coached by Salazar at the time. I am not saying guilty by association, but the conversation was about where rumors stemmed from. The rumors probably still linger from this era.
Brown was waaayyyy sketchier than Alberto in this kind of stuff; I suspect she retained a "bad habit" from her earlier days, if anything. Alberto was more of a fall-guy in my book, assuming there was actual hanky-panky.
Alberto is like a chess grand master, he will push the "legal" limits, but not exceed, as kind of an anal, OCD challenge.
kkd wrote:
Centro is not an 800/1500 guy. He is a 1500/5000 guy.
How can you possibly consider Centro a 5000 guy?
a track fan wrote:
I talked to her for a few minutes after millrose, she seemed a bit off, running wise but she seemed to be in high spirits. So dont count her out yet.
She didn't show up to the interview room and basically disappeared right after the race despite all the other NOP girls sticking around to interview and then hang around the starting line for the Men's race. I highly doubt she was in 'high spirits'