Best NCAA DI, DII, DIII coaches, taking into account resources/lack of resources available to them.

This was in response to someone calling Art McKinnon a crappy college coach.

shb13 wrote:

Al Carius North Central College

NCC has alot of advantages that other colleges don't have, Not taking anything way from Coach Carius and his staff, but he does a lot with a lot.

Academy of Art. How does an art school with a new athletic program win d2 nationals?

Without question.

Steve Guymon

Blahbaba wrote:

shb13 wrote:

Al Carius North Central College

NCC has alot of advantages that other colleges don't have, Not taking anything way from Coach Carius and his staff, but he does a lot with a lot.

I would be curious to know what those advantages are?

D3: always see great results year in and year out from Havorford men and women.

D2L probably biased but Shippensburg Steven Spence gets great results from mildly talent kids year in and year out.

curious bob wrote:

Blahbaba wrote:

NCC has alot of advantages that other colleges don't have, Not taking anything way from Coach Carius and his staff, but he does a lot with a lot.

I would be curious to know what those advantages are?

Well, the program's history is an advantage...wait, didn't the coaches have a part in that. hmmm.

I'd add that Frank Gramarosso deserves some credit for NCC's success over the years.

Al Weiner, De Sales University. Small school and resources, great results, stronger each year.

Nick Saban, hands down.

curious bob wrote:

Blahbaba wrote:

NCC has alot of advantages that other colleges don't have, Not taking anything way from Coach Carius and his staff, but he does a lot with a lot.

I would be curious to know what those advantages are?

12 Coaches between M&W Track (not including volunteers)

Indoor and outdoor tracks

30 min from downtown Chicago

Naperville was voted the second-best place to live in the United States by Money magazine in 2006.

It is the fifth-largest city in Illinois.

Direct access to Riverside Park and Dupage River Trails

Upper tier USNews rating

3000 students

It isn't like NCC is in a sleepy town in South Dakota that shares a HS track.

No sub four minute milers or even sub nine for the steeplechase. Many of their distance records are slower than South High School in Eugene.

It's Al Carius. You're wrong if you think otherwise.[/quote]

NCAC wrote:

Ray Appenheimer.

The success he's had at Oberlin, the most niche school ever, is unbelievable.

+1

DIII: Wabash College - Clyde Morgan and Roger Busch. All male school in small town Indiana. They don't get top DIII talent. They improve what they get and have kicked out numerous All-Americans and a couple of NCAA champions. Morgan might be one of the greatest motivators I've ever met.

Tim?

haven't even been able to be relavant their own conference for 5 years

Bloody Thursday wrote:

DIII: Wabash College - Clyde Morgan and Roger Busch. All male school in small town Indiana. They don't get top DIII talent. They improve what they get and have kicked out numerous All-Americans and a couple of NCAA champions. Morgan might be one of the greatest motivators I've ever met.

Wabash does a nice job, but has a lot of resources. Top flight facilities, multiple full time coaches, prestigious school.

Blahbaba wrote:

Bloody Thursday wrote:

DIII: Wabash College - Clyde Morgan and Roger Busch. All male school in small town Indiana. They don't get top DIII talent. They improve what they get and have kicked out numerous All-Americans and a couple of NCAA champions. Morgan might be one of the greatest motivators I've ever met.

Wabash does a nice job, but has a lot of resources. Top flight facilities, multiple full time coaches, prestigious school.

If by "multiple full time coaches" you mean 1 full time track coach, then yes.

Also, Busch is no longer there.

Shmoop wrote:

Who are the best in the NCAA (every division) taking into account the resources or rather lack of resources available to them? I feel like it is very easy to say so and so from Stanford, Arkansas, Oregon etc.... but who are the real heroes who make something from nothing?

I may be biased but I say Darren Flowers of DII West Texas A&M. He brought a track and cross country team that did not exist 10 years ago back to life from being a perennial cellar dweller in the conference to back to back to back cross country conference championships as well as 3peat national qualifiers out of the south-central region, arguably the best region in DII. At one point this season there were 7 teams from the South Central including Adams State, Colorado School of the Mines, Western State, New Mexico Highlands, West Texas A&M, Black Hills State, and UC-Colorado Springs. The number of top 25 teams from this region never dropped below 6.