get used to it.. wrote:
Then don't ever speed. Speed limits were set up to protect society. Driving faster endangers your community................
Should the government make a law that everyone has to be vaccinated, and the only way out is to pay a fine, I have no problem with that. If there are prison sentences for parents who don't vaccinate and they force vaccination anyway, I have a huge problem. Again, I know at this point that people are not required. However, there is likely going to be sponsored in CA for mandatory vaccination. If this is a civil penalty, fine. If criminal I think we should all be outraged.
Look, I think you are being fairly reasonable here (see, I can indeed give you credit *when* you deserve it. I doubt you've ever done the same for me. But trust me, I don't care about that). You are supporting a pro-vaccination gov't policy and societal viewpoint. I give you credit for that.
However........
While the speeding analogy that others have made and you have taken on, and the speeding "model" that you are saying we should apply towards vaccines is a good one, I think you've missed something here.
Every time someone speeds, they pay fine. Eventually, they lose their license and go to jail if they keep doing it. So, to really use this model towards vaccines as you suggest (you are ok with people paying a fine for not following a "everyone must be vaccinated" law), *would indeed* result in jail time for parents, because every time (day? month? year?) they don't comply with the law, it would be an offense. One can't pay one speeding ticket and then get a "now forever allowed to speed" special license, correct? no. And people shouldn't pay a single fine and then allow their negative impact (unvaccinated child) on society to go on forever. The speeding fines are there to deter and punish a behavior. They are there for someone to buy a special license to do what they want.
However, overall, this is a straw man and red herring, because really this is not one of the major points being debated (very few people are calling for laws for forced vaccination, and it is extremely unlikely that this would occur). People really debating
a) the rationality of the decision not to vaccinate
b) the potential risk for harm that that decision is causing for those children, and other children in society.
c) whether the gov't has the right to say children in schools (public especially) need to be vaccinated.
I think the gov't should and can tell children they need to be vaccinated to attend public schools. And I think all private businesses (like Disney Land, site of the latest outbreak) have a right to deny access to unvaccinated children. If the gov't does its job, and private businesses follow suit, the unvaccinated can have their own little leper colonies where they mingle only with themselves. If that's what they choose, so be it, they will be isolated. That would be fine, and I don't think they should or need to be held down and vaccinated, and very few are proposing that.