"Deflategate" is essentially over after latest report

If what you say about spying were true, why the fine on Coach Bill? Didn't they lose a draft pick over it too?There is a range they can inflate them too. Why shouldn't then inflate them to their likings within the legal range? No reason. But there is a legal range and the Cheatriots tried to get away with it.

Uh, no. The NFL's not going to say anything definitive on the matter until their showcase event, the Superbowl, is over.

get used to it.. wrote:

Did you know that a locker room attendant for the Pats took them from the officials area into a locked restroom for about 90 seconds after they were inspected by the officials before they were taken to the field?

dial it up wrote:

Do you know anything about the investigation? Not only do they have video, and over 40 interviews, the balls spent most of their time on the field for warm ups. One of the first things they ruled out was tampering after the check in with officials.

The poor kid who went into the bathroom to take a piss? Yep, sure do know about him. I know you want this to be a huge conspiracy so badly, but its not. Get over it Sherlock.

Ps right before you get over it, try to say your beliefs out loud for a second: "I believe that some piss ant ball boy took a bag of 12 footballs into the bathroom for a max of 90 seconds, was able to deflate 11/12 right to the point where Tom Brady likes them, but where the officials handling the balls wouldn't notice and then walk out like nothing happened....in 90 seconds. This is the most plausible explanation and a rational thing for a team to do with everything to lose in an AFC title game against a team they have killed 3 straight times."

Now do you think that is likely what happened as opposed to a number of credible sources saying that each team makes the balls how the qb's like them, and sometimes the officials measure them and sometimes if they feel and look ok they let them play?

They didn't rule out $hit. You think the freaking attendant is going to say he did it? What a freaking joke.You think the balls magically lost air pressure? Buy any swampland in FL lately?

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get used to it.. wrote:

Except the officials aren't the last ones who handled the balls before game time. Do you not know anything about this incident?

Do you know anything about the investigation? Not only do they have video, and over 40 interviews, the balls spent most of their time on the field for warm ups. One of the first things they ruled out was tampering after the check in with officials.

Lifelong Pats fan. Like any good billion dollar organization, the Pats will control as much as they can without going over the line and getting caught. Every single other team wishes they could control things as well as the Pats.

The problem is the NFL is a $50 billion organization that is bloated and has no need to improve. If the NFL had someone like Belichick in charge of the rules, then there would be no limits on football pressure. If there were no limits then both teams could do what they think would do them the most good. How can that ever be unfair?

It doesn't take someone 90 seconds to piss and wash their hands.The balls lost air between the time the officials inspected them before the game and halftime. You think it is more reasonable for someone to take a 90 second piss than to deflate balls for a known cheater? Of course you do...of course you do.

You honestly think they lost air between the check in and the game? I gotta be done because you are the dumbest person I've ever seen on this boards. I already told you multiple times how this process works, when the NFL comes out and tells you you'll understand. Or you'll come up with some conspiracy theory that makes literally no sense like right now.

Ive spent 90 seconds or more in the bathroom multiple times, especially if I am bundled up a bit just as the ball boy was. 10 seconds to walk in, lock the door, get your shit out from a couple layers of clothes, 20-30 seconds to pee, 5-10 seconds to get your junk put away and clothing situated, 30 seconds to wash and dry your hands, 5 seconds to pick up the balls, unlock the door and walk out.

That leaves him 5-10 seconds to check his phone, situate his clothes, blow his nose, or maybe he took a shit just to throw you off the trail.

Occam's razor my friend.

get used to it.. wrote:

Did you know that a locker room attendant for the Pats took them from the officials area into a locked restroom for about 90 seconds after they were inspected by the officials before they were taken to the field?

dial it up wrote:

Do you know anything about the investigation? Not only do they have video, and over 40 interviews, the balls spent most of their time on the field for warm ups. One of the first things they ruled out was tampering after the check in with officials.

It takes 4 seconds to deflate a football and 20 seconds to urinate with a strong urine stream.

Both could be done within the 90 second parameter.

Time for NFL teams to play with the SAME balls.....y'know, like they do in tennis.

They used to play with the same balls, the rule changed in 2006 and it makes such a small difference that you and the idiot above didn't even know.

Yes, the attendant deflated the balls in the bathroom. It is the only explanation. You think the cold made them lose pressure? And you have the nerve to call me dumb? What a farce!

So what do you think the simplest explanation is? That they were underinflated on check in? Doubt it. Because the refs recognized on the field that the balls weren't right. They would have also realized this on check in.

Hey dumbas$. If it makes such a small difference, why do the QB's want them inflated to their specs? Because it matters. And because it matters, there is a rule, which the Patriots tried to circumvent. Pathetic.

dial it up wrote:

They used to play with the same balls, the rule changed in 2006 and it makes such a small difference that you and the idiot above didn't even know.

Oh yeah.

It really looks like the debate is over.

Just a couple more pages.

get used to it.. wrote:

Yes, the attendant deflated the balls in the bathroom. It is the only explanation. You think the cold made them lose pressure? And you have the nerve to call me dumb? What a farce!

So what do you think the simplest explanation is? That they were underinflated on check in? Doubt it. Because the refs recognized on the field that the balls weren't right. They would have also realized this on check in.

Did you really just ask me what the explanation is? What the hell do you think the whole thread is about? Go back, read the first post. Left to right, top to bottom, since you obviously are new to reading.

Ball feel and pressure is a preference issue. If it was a major performance enhancer, then explain to me(this isn't rhetorical, I want your explanation) why Aaron Rodgers tries to use footballs ABOVE allowed pressures while Tom Brady tries to use footballs BELOW allowed pressures? It is all about preference. The officials pass the balls or they add/remove a little air.

Why are you saying what I am saying while trying to make me look stupid? QB's have preferences because changes in pressure influence the feel and performance of the ball. That is why there is a rule. The officials may add or remove some air, but no we know the Patriot ball boys do too.

This whole discussion is so ridiculous.

So somebody actually thinks that the ball boy went to this small bathroom and deflated 11 out of 12 balls in the course of 90 seconds?? So Brady had already approved the balls before the refs inspected them and then he had enough trust in the ball boy to perfectly adjust the balls to Brady's standards within a 90 second window? Brady must be the most trusting QB on the planet.

On top of this, it has already been reported that the refs approved of the "deflated" balls at the beginning of the game and did not test with a gauge.

Dolomite wrote:

This whole discussion is so ridiculous.

So somebody actually thinks that the ball boy went to this small bathroom and deflated 11 out of 12 balls in the course of 90 seconds?? So Brady had already approved the balls before the refs inspected them and then he had enough trust in the ball boy to perfectly adjust the balls to Brady's standards within a 90 second window? Brady must be the most trusting QB on the planet.

On top of this, it has already been reported that the refs approved of the "deflated" balls at the beginning of the game and did not test with a gauge.

I already posted that on the first post of the first page. However, it is tough to get logic and reason through to stupid people, which is why we're on page 2 with a "ball boy in the bathroom" conspiracy.

dial it up wrote:

Dennis Reynolds 2.5 wrote:

If someone takes PEDs, competes and the tests come back negative is that legal?

Technically yes its legal because they competed without punishment. In terms of what actually happens, it isn't illegal if you don't get caught. Such as when holding doesn't get called. This may be a little over your head.

If I kill someone and don't get caught what I did was legal? Wow, that's news to me. Are you seriously this much of a dunce?

Dennis Reynolds 2.5 wrote:

If I kill someone and don't get caught what I did was legal? Wow, that's news to me. Are you seriously this much of a dunce?

It is you who are being a dunce.

There is a difference between killing someone and murdering them. Once is justifiable under the law while the other is not.

Likewise, doing something illegal does not make one a criminal. A "criminal" is a legal declaration that is used once a legal process has been completed.

Analogously, the Patriots aren't "cheaters" (at least in the instant case) until they are shown to be cheaters. An athlete isn't a drug "cheat" until they have failed a test.

Understand?

Oh booooy.

Look d.i.u., clearly we have our differences, and clearly I can't stand you most of the time, so what I am about to say is semi-difficult:

Not withstanding your silliness about the "football move" and "wrong call" against Dallas (it was the right call, maybe a bad rule), and not withstanding your view that the Hawks have no chance to win even one game in the Finals (if, a fairly big if, they make it)...........

You mostly know your $hit about your pro sports, and you are 100% correct on this BS "deflate gate" thing.

What of course makes this easier to say is that I agree with you 10000000% that "Get Used to It" (the most conservative and apparently biggest football fan among gays in america {he claims he is gay}) is indeed in idiot of epic proportions, and he's dead wrong here (as he always is).

And the most absurd thing of all is: the NFL ALLOWS THE TEAMS to inflate the balls themselves. It's up to the officials to decide if they are legal or not RIGHT???? Are the players supposed to ref themselves during the games too, and simply play by the honor system?? What nonsense. The balls are the same thing, and the Pats have likely done the same thing with the balls for 8 years: inflate them to the very low end of legal (they would have been called on this before if they had way under inflated them), and sometimes when it is cold, the balls lose one more psi, which brings them to under legal. Other teams have assuredly done the same thing in either direction (a little high, a little low).

IT'S UP TO THE REFS TO DECIDE IF THEY ARE LEGAL. IT'S UP TO THE REFS TO CALL PENALTIES. Duh....

(and as you said, Aaron Rogers admitted he's had his team balls overinflated, in image that I am sure will get Get Used to It all excited)