Who is Verran?
Who is Verran?
Coming from an elite wrote:
Neutral Observer wrote:So Glen Latimer is ultimately the person who decides who is elite or not? In addition, a person's "elite credentials" could be taken away at any moment? Everything depends on the variable standards set by USATF?
Glen raised the bar to reflect the current state of the sport. Unfortunately, American men haven't really stepped up to meet the raised bar, like the women have.
Btw, the Olympic Trials standards are the IAAF standards, and in my mind (and other elite minds) if you're good enough to be on the IAAF performance list/have an IAAF profile, you're an elite. While we're at it, if most sub 2:18 guys were from any other country, they'd be Olympians and National heroes.
No need to continue arguing with a bunch of Letsrun armchair critics who have no idea, or respect, of the work that goes into making a National Championship/Olympic Trials. You're average for a reason.
You are clearly better at running than you are at reading comprehension. I never said that you (or other people running 2:18) were not elite. My point was that a few years ago your definition would have said that a 2:22 guy is elite, but now his "elite status" would have to be withdrawn (because of the new standards). I think that "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them. I was arguing that your definition of elite was too narrow not too broad. I actually chose to respond to you instead of the 3:30/12:50/26:50 clowns because you had given a reasonable response. If it makes you feel any better I have also run in an Olympic Trials.
Neutral Observer wrote: I think that "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them.
So if Oprah decided to run another marathon and the one she chose paid for her hotel, flight and entry fees, she is an elite?
easy weeks wrote:
Neutral Observer wrote: I think that "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them.So if Oprah decided to run another marathon and the one she chose paid for her hotel, flight and entry fees, she is an elite?
I am going to give you more credit than you probably deserve and assume that you are not really that stupid.
Neutral Observer wrote:
You are clearly better at running than you are at reading comprehension. I never said that you (or other people running 2:18) were not elite. My point was that a few years ago your definition would have said that a 2:22 guy is elite, but now his "elite status" would have to be withdrawn (because of the new standards). I think that "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them. I was arguing that your definition of elite was too narrow not too broad. I actually chose to respond to you instead of the 3:30/12:50/26:50 clowns because you had given a reasonable response. If it makes you feel any better I have also run in an Olympic Trials.
Bud, you're talking to a fast genius. The defining line for an elite 10 yrs ago is different from what it is today. 10 yrs ago, yes, 2:22 would have been 'elite', but not today. 2:18 would have placed you top 20 at the Olympic Trials in '04- now those guys wouldn't qualify. Even the bar to get support from races has been raised, or to win prize money. Takes faster times nowadays than it did a mere 5 yrs ago to win an equivalent amount of money. 48 guys under 1:05 at Houston is legit. How about making a US Team? It's getting increasingly tougher.
Yes, Glen raised the bar to reflect the current state of the sport. If we somehow go back into the dark ages of the 90s, depth drops off, and they have to loosen the standards, well then the definition of an elite could change to reflect that generation.
it's still not elite
numbers game wrote:
Elite-ish3 wrote:So if you qualify for the men's o.m.t., you're an elite runner?
If you run 2:20, how are you making any money or a living off of being elite at something, in this case running? I don't see working in a shoe store as an elite perk.
I'd love to be able to run 2:15, but to me, that's not elite at all as the top US guys would be about 1 mile ahead of me at the finish line. This is not a troll, I simply don't agree with your thinking.
Hanson's has guys who run right around 2:15. How are they elite? They get housing and other perks, but it's not like they have a yearly contract and are making $65,000 a year plus benefits. So then, what they get is a chance to "get there" and have a few things taken care of along the way to make it easier. Sorry, I don't see that as elite.
Think of the numbers. There are about 500,000 marathon finishers a year in the US and the average time is about 4:30 to 5:00.
Maybe 20-30 men a year are running 2:15 or faster in the US. That puts them in the 0.01%. or in the 99.99%. Think about that for a bit and get back to us.
No, you're not a fast genius and nothing that you said was even close to being genius. Everything in your first paragraph is well known to anybody who takes running seriously and as far as I'm concerned, you're a hobby jogger who is playing the role of someone we all should know. Not buying it.Glen raised the bar...really?
Coming from an elite wrote:
Neutral Observer wrote:You are clearly better at running than you are at reading comprehension. I never said that you (or other people running 2:18) were not elite. My point was that a few years ago your definition would have said that a 2:22 guy is elite, but now his "elite status" would have to be withdrawn (because of the new standards). I think that "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them. I was arguing that your definition of elite was too narrow not too broad. I actually chose to respond to you instead of the 3:30/12:50/26:50 clowns because you had given a reasonable response. If it makes you feel any better I have also run in an Olympic Trials.
Bud, you're talking to a fast genius. The defining line for an elite 10 yrs ago is different from what it is today. 10 yrs ago, yes, 2:22 would have been 'elite', but not today. 2:18 would have placed you top 20 at the Olympic Trials in '04- now those guys wouldn't qualify. Even the bar to get support from races has been raised, or to win prize money. Takes faster times nowadays than it did a mere 5 yrs ago to win an equivalent amount of money. 48 guys under 1:05 at Houston is legit. How about making a US Team? It's getting increasingly tougher.
Yes, Glen raised the bar to reflect the current state of the sport. If we somehow go back into the dark ages of the 90s, depth drops off, and they have to loosen the standards, well then the definition of an elite could change to reflect that generation.
Neutral Observer wrote: I think that "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them.
easy weeks wrote:So if Oprah decided to run another marathon and the one she chose paid for her hotel, flight and entry fees, she is an elite?
Neutral Observer wrote:I am going to give you more credit than you probably deserve and assume that you are not really that stupid.
I obviously get your point. What I was doing is pointing out that your definition of elite in your own words was "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them.
So, if Oprah decided to do another marathon and a race talked her into choosing theirs by way of giving her a free fight, hotel room, and entry, she meets every one of your standards. Your own words. She was invited, and had her flight and hotel paid for.
Again, I was merely (and quite gently) pointing out the problem with your definition by using a simple example. Instead of realizing this, accepting it and moving on, you chose to go the route of name-calling. It looks petty when one is found in error and doesn't accept it gracefully.
easy weeks wrote:
Neutral Observer wrote: I think that "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them.easy weeks wrote:So if Oprah decided to run another marathon and the one she chose paid for her hotel, flight and entry fees, she is an elite?
Neutral Observer wrote:I am going to give you more credit than you probably deserve and assume that you are not really that stupid.
I obviously get your point. What I was doing is pointing out that your definition of elite in your own words was "elite" is defined by races i.e. the people who invite the "elite" athletes. i.e. the people who get hotel rooms and flights paid for them.
So, if Oprah decided to do another marathon and a race talked her into choosing theirs by way of giving her a free fight, hotel room, and entry, she meets every one of your standards. Your own words. She was invited, and had her flight and hotel paid for.
Again, I was merely (and quite gently) pointing out the problem with your definition by using a simple example. Instead of realizing this, accepting it and moving on, you chose to go the route of name-calling. It looks petty when one is found in error and doesn't accept it gracefully.
Ok, I take it back. You have convinced me that you really are that stupid.
I took the list from alltime-athletics and removed all duplicate names. Just food for thought
marathon -
https://filetea.me/t1sfYYPUhArTL6R1y9p1lCnRA
half -
https://filetea.me/t1sbOd9kI9WTQKtEunspkRh7w
10k -
https://filetea.me/t1spXzMcvkuQN2I3PJHsfFJFg
5k -
https://filetea.me/t1s2YR9ydDrQIu9fHTbEbYLpQ
1500 -
Realized those links will expire. Heres ones that will last longer:
marathon -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n8m0c3ldorm6sc0/newmarathonbest.txt?dl=0
half -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m514un36uxk7iq0/newhalfbest.txt?dl=0
10k -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aecy8b35lhft00n/new10kbest.txt?dl=0
5k -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egmb5agd79fnisf/new5kbest.txt?dl=0
1500 -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nj1rreu6mdpvqqv/new1500best.txt?dl=0
Based on IAAF tables meets gut feeling
Elite (1101)/sub-elite (1051)
1:47.4/1:49.2
3:40.4/3:44.2
3:57.9/4:02.0
7:52/8:01
13:30/13:45
28:20/28:54
1:02:14/1:03:30
2:13:27/2:16:22
Elite-ish3 wrote:
No, you're not a fast genius
Yes I am, on both account.
and nothing that you said was even close to being genius. Everything in your first paragraph is well known to anybody who takes running seriously and as far as I'm concerned,
No, just pointing out the obvious to the previous poster, who doesn't seem to get it.
Glen raised the bar...really?
What are you getting at?
Coming from an elite wrote:
[quote]Elite-ish3 wrote:
No, you're not a fast genius
Yes I am, on both account.
No, you are not. Nice try though.
What time is do you consider to be elite? Is that even English?
I consider 10:00 pm to be an elite time as well as 1:00 am.
Coming from an elite wrote:
Elite-ish3 wrote:No, you're not a fast genius
Yes I am, on both account.
and nothing that you said was even close to being genius. Everything in your first paragraph is well known to anybody who takes running seriously and as far as I'm concerned,
No, just pointing out the obvious to the previous poster, who doesn't seem to get it.
Glen raised the bar...really?
What are you getting at?
You are clearly one of those people who argues just for the sake of arguing. Your insecurities should not be this transparent.
He's not an elite runner, period. If he was, he'd be proud to post under his real name, but he's not. Case closed.
Neutral Observer wrote:
Coming from an elite wrote:Yes I am, on both account.
No, just pointing out the obvious to the previous poster, who doesn't seem to get it.
What are you getting at?
You are clearly one of those people who argues just for the sake of arguing. Your insecurities should not be this transparent.
I ran 2:11:40's and I know what I'm talking about.
Neutral Observer wrote:
Coming from an elite wrote:Yes I am, on both account.
No, just pointing out the obvious to the previous poster, who doesn't seem to get it.
What are you getting at?
You are clearly one of those people who argues just for the sake of arguing. Your insecurities should not be this transparent.
Neutral Observer wrote:
You are clearly one of those people who argues just for the sake of arguing. Your insecurities should not be this transparent.
Resorting to name calling undermines any argument you have.
He's not an elite runner, period. If he was, he'd be proud to post under his real name, but he's not. Case closed.
Being a longtime peruser of Letsrun, it's generally not wise to post under one's real name.
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