Ole Classic - Gray 1'42.80 Solo from '92 Trials

socal cush wrote:

80s? san francisco? how fast? just curious--must've been before my time in the club...

I was there actually.

thanks skate--funny to think it was some time after my days with smtc.

got a kick out of "bourbony street's" memories--similar to mine at a nike (i think)-sponsored party on a riverboat. todd was cool to talk to--i'm a long-suffering raiders fan, but i'd also always loved his SAT-laden vocabulary. simpson, on the other hand, was a complete dog-in-louisiana-heat: i remember hanging out with 3 good-looking female distance runners (one was a clubmate, one was a former ucla teammate) and simpson coming up and saying hello with a "look at me i'm o.j." attitude. they all shined him on and he moved on to other targets. i guess they're lucky to be alive...

what part of '03wc won in 10.07 sandwiched between '01wc & '04og both won in 9.8s did you not comprehend as showing crap global 100m races occur ???-----------------------------------The athletes competing in 2003 did not complete badly they competed to their level in the conditions on the day. When was Collins going to run 9.8. What the hell has how different athletes competed in different years have to do with this race------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

is the concept that the wind reading was wrong

show me the IOC correction of their listed wind of +1.11m/s in their official report of moscow games

----------------------------------------------------

Show me where else the IAAF changed the wind reading. They did not this for no reason. I've already posted their official report

-----------------------------------------------------

and it was being cold night beyond you!

err...

the highest temperature that day was 74F

cold ?!

-------------------------------------------------------------

Final was not run in hottest part of the day and 74f is still too cold for sprinting 23c is not hot for sprinting you need high 20's by time of final it was 70 or below which is why Leonard wore t-shirt under vest

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

the prelims the day before were run on hottest day of year with max of 86F

-------------------------------

Irrelevant

------------------------------------------

Tell David too while you're at it, maybe we'll see a 1:39

certainly a 1'40-mid in his london shape

& if he'd had a pacer & fully rested for it, a serious consideration of 1'40-flat woud be warranted.'

So in similar run races you knock off 1.3 for Gray but only .9 for Rudisha

It's almost as if he exhibits some sort of extreme bias towards American athletes.

The article mentions his Pr From age 19 in the mile about 6 seconds faster. Also a 600 in 2001 - wonder what he ran. I'll try to find results.

Hitmonlee wrote:

It's almost as if he exhibits some sort of extreme bias towards American athletes.

He's a clown who displays child like biased & disdain for anyone who argues against him.

According to most of his posts over the last few years, it would seem almost all half milers were capable of more than a second faster than they actually ran, and that there is about a dozen who were 1:41 or 1:42 low runners (Snell, Kipkurgat, Juantorena, Cram, Ovett, Ryun - 1:39, Ereng, etc, etc).

In fact only Coe was actually slower than he ran and was only a 1:42 flat runner. Absolute priceless drivel.

No biased there clearly.

Plus he idiotically claims running 800m heats and semis slows you down in the final compared to a one off race in Europe. As a veteran of both, I ran much better in finals after running heats. It's easier to be settled in one place, run a few easier 800s then race the big than spend the days before a big race traveling. Traveling is way more exhausting than running rounds in an 800m. Someone who has never raced an 800m would know that. Clearly Ventolin has never run an 800m.

Wouldn't know

Halfmiler1 wrote:

Plus he idiotically claims running 800m heats and semis slows you down in the final compared to a one off race in Europe. As a veteran of both, I ran much better in finals after running heats. It's easier to be settled in one place, run a few easier 800s then race the big than spend the days before a big race traveling. Traveling is way more exhausting than running rounds in an 800m. Someone who has never raced an 800m would know that. Clearly Ventolin has never run an 800m.

Or anything else. He runs numbers, and his yap.

Gray was a heck of a runner, but watching him race used to drive me crazy. Like many 800m runners, he was certain he could "burn everyone out" and tried to do it every race. More often than not, he failed to do that (as do most 800m runners).

Isn't he coaching Duane Solomon now. Doesn't he use the exact same tactic with the exact same unpredictable results?

Close to 1:19 flat pace fora 600 meter.

Gray, 41, who retired for several months last year after failing to make his fifth Olympic team in the 800 meters, won the 600-yard run in 1:12.21 after leading every step of the way.

yep. Both offer deep analyses of races!

Ventolin, if you're chopping time based on running running heats and semi finals, what is Coe's 3:32 1500m at LA Olympics worth? He had 4 800m and two 1500m races in his legs. Factor in heat, smog it, running wide, etc. it has to be worth 3:25.

Ventolin, what you should do know is start adding to people's times. Perfect pacing, drafting, add a second or two. Good track, plus a second a lap, no wind plus another second.

utter nonsense

try degree of rest before

i have good as any observer here of last 40+y of elite euro-circuit 800 running & now moreso seeing fantastic runs by gray

immediate nonsense poster

only a complete fool this

if you wanted to comment on boxing, i ask, did you fight

tyson ???

utterly clueless ???

did not the end-result of 1'42.80 inculcate some neurones ??

johnny ran the 1st ever

< 1'43 solo !!!

err...

that's what happens when you offer a suicidal 24.1

you really have no clue

stoopid statement

unmotivated for cut-throat trials ???

certainly in good shape

ask him for an interview as to his shape assessment

utter nonsense

it was a 2000 mile journey for him

name his family in the stands

no threat guys

johhny wrecked his own time that day by worrying too much about a non-threat everett

johnny couda gone into 1'42-mid solo if not worrying about him & backing off charge to 200, but still lead at 200

impress me

how superior were these ???

johnny ran 1st ever

< 1'43 solo

no

helluva lot more

you also are incapable of mentioning a huge factor :

how unrested

that was 4th race in 6/7 !!!

what is this drivel ?

i damn well can on solid parameters offered before & few without inept cognescence woud argue against

eh ?

your nonsense shows little knowledge of the sport

this shows you have no clue about the sport at all

bolt dancing down to 9.69wr was only worth 9.69 that day ???

clueless

solo at elite level means no one "directly ahead at any point"

johnny ran 1st ever

< 1'43 solo

eh ???

where were any of them

"directly ahead" ???

thank you for such an immensene disqualifier

have you cracked 1'41 to offer anything worthwhile to Rudy ???

my word !!!

in 1st

< 1'43 - solo !!!

yes

but still

1st

< 1'43 - solo

no

in top shape, most is

thank you for polemic

i'm sure hemingway would...

maybe not

analysing running 800 at Rudy/Kip level negates emotions

What we know is that Gray ran his PR in '85 in a race run a certain way and that is as fast as he ever ran.

That's how fast he could go.

utter nonsense

this shows you again have even less clue

that shouda been a

9.95+ win by an american/jamaican

a pathetic 10.07 shows how rubbish field ran, just like '80

this shows your general "epititude"

get a brain

it was crap race with crap winner

just like '80 was crap final

your ineptitude of sprint history is completely stoopifying !

for the umpteenth time+++, how can it be conveyed to your neurone, it was NOT an iaaf meet

explain this nonsense ?

utter nonsense

you posted an iaaf report which has nothing to do with official IOC

you have no clue what F it was run at

it was warm enough

nonsense

anything 65+ is adequate

why post irrelevance ?

or maybe he'd pulled a chest mucle ?

the other 2 blacks in final wore no vest

rubbish

it were good sprint conditions in moscow

wells ran 10.11nr on hottest day

a huge sprint

Hitmonlee wrote:It's almost as if he exhibits some sort of extreme bias towards American athletes

eh ?