Pretty sure this happened wrote:
know-it-all joe wrote:And yet Jama Aden has the best mid-d group on the planet right now.
This is the type of thing a 63-64 half marathon runner would do, which would probably be the best endurance Torrence has had in his life.
PS - standing rest is just as hard, in some ways harder, than jogging rest.
I think that he left Jama last year.
He is now coached by Abdi Bile, a guy Jama Aden used to coach I think.
I know it's senseless to talk to some people here because they just like to belittle others but I really think the workout was a good one. It wasn't superbly fast - but not every workout has to be crazy fast or hard. Torrence ran sub 5 minute miles with 1' rest - that could be right into his half marathon range right now, perhaps a bit slower. Sounds right for me when you want a solid longish endurance workout. It could even speak for exceptional shape - perhaps he just doesn't want to show his cards right now so he put up this standard workout and no ballbuster...
Not sure what the problem here. He has produced respectable results with a training program that is likely similar to this one. If it gets him good times, then so be it.
What's debatable is if he could be doing something different to improve on those respectable times.
We should all be more thankful of the length and quality of the workout video rather than the workout itself.
Flotrack moved from a great video product when they had workouts of 8-15 min length, where we could actually the main bits of the workout to an edited 2 min video with limited workout content and in slow-mo etc.
This video is a great return to what was working well, a 10 min video with a lot of useful information provided by the athlete and a lot of workout content.
Well done Flotrack, thank you for listening to the fans and moving back to what works well and why people consistently come to your site to see content no other website produces as well!!
Now PLEASE just keep this one bit of the site content FREE to view and don't consider making people pay!!!
HardLoper wrote:
Pretty sure this happened wrote:I think that he left Jama last year.
He is now coached by Abdi Bile, a guy Jama Aden used to coach I think.
Makh daddy left Jama too. So I'm not sure that whoever said Jama had the best mid d group was correct.
Kids, 'a guy' Abdi Bihle is a 1500m world champion
And now he's Jama Aden's assistant.
the group consists of the best female runner at 1500-5000 at the moment and also Souleiman etc. Clearly some people believe the group to be alright seeing as this fella called Mo Farah has gone to Ethiopia to train with them rather than stay with the people in Oregon.
Makhloufi was chucked out of the group as was Kaki. Both had unbelievable success while in the group.
Well done Flotrack! wrote:
We should all be more thankful of the length and quality of the workout video rather than the workout itself.
Flotrack moved from a great video product when they had workouts of 8-15 min length, where we could actually the main bits of the workout to an edited 2 min video with limited workout content and in slow-mo etc.
This video is a great return to what was working well, a 10 min video with a lot of useful information provided by the athlete and a lot of workout content.
Well done Flotrack, thank you for listening to the fans and moving back to what works well and why people consistently come to your site to see content no other website produces as well!!
Now PLEASE just keep this one bit of the site content FREE to view and don't consider making people pay!!!
Seconded
People don't realize threshold/tempo pace for a lot mid distance runners is very slow compared to their prs. It's kind of a paradox, but mid distance runners find it easier to run faster. Yes, Torrence's workout seems slow, but for him it was a good workout.
Here is another example: it's Ryan Martin, a 1:44 800 guy, doing a 4 mile tempo.
According to Daniels vdot tables:
Vdot 80: 1500-3:34, 5000- 13:17
Marathon pace- 4:52
Tempo pace- 4:41
Like I said 8 miles at marathon pace with rest isn't impressive or solid for someone who's almost an ELITE MEDAL THREAT
and don't say it's only January. Rupp was running 12x1k in 3:00 in HIGH SCHOOL.
and Torrance would have a nice view of Rupps back in any 1500 in any month.
Some day, Dave will learn that workout's are just that. Well maybe not!
kod3200 wrote:
I could be wrong, but I smell BS. That would total 16 miles for the workout not including warm up and cool down. 66s would be 4:24 pace. So you're saying that in HIGHSCHOOL, Ritz was able to run 4:24 PACE, with a 1 LAP recovery for 16 miles? Even if he was capable of that (which I highly doubt), why would he be doing that for the high school 5K? There's actually no way thats true, if hes doing a 16 mile workout then whats his long run? 20 miles? That WORKOUT right there is longer than 95% of top tier U.S. highschoolers LONG RUN. Get your facts straight.
He may have been wrong about the recovery, but the story has been reported:
Realizing he had a prodigy in town, Prins read everything he could about distance running and tested each training idea on Ritz and his other runners—sprints, stadium steps, ankle weights, plyometrics, tempo runs, long runs. "We were his guinea pigs, and trained like crazy," says Ritzenhein. "It's amazing I never got hurt. I just kept getting stronger." One day he ran eight miles in the morning and intervals that lasted half the afternoon. A final tally showed 32 x 400 meters in 65 seconds, with enough warmup and cooldown to give him 22 miles for the day.
8X a mile is a long workout for any miler, regardless of pace.
He's just getting in laps with some rhythm.
What you criticize him for running 7 minute pace on an easy run?
Daniel's table doesn't work with MD.
Asbel Kiprop runs a 3:28, but his MP will not be 4:40. Look at Mo Farah running 3:28 and actually running 4:53 pace for the Marathon.
It's nice to have a chart for references for amateur runners, but at the elite level, it doesn't work. Most athletes are specialist built for 1-2 distances.
Now, the workout may be "soft" for Torrence, but not wrong. He is building a long endurance base with medium intensity. He finishes the workout with 8 solid miles + hill sprints, but did not break the bank.
I've trained with someone around Torrence's level in the 1500m and their long training was around the same level. Of course, in the 1500m training, they would run high quality workouts which shaped their performance.
Is there really any point in comparing Rupp and Torrence? They aren't really in the same league in any race longer than 1500m.
Rupp has an Olympic silver medal. Torrence ran at the Olympic Trials.
And for those that actually listen to what Torrence says in the video, there is a fair amount of useful advice to be gained.
I thought it was a great video. Gives insight to one of his workouts and who knows what else he was going to do that day. For all we know he could be doing 4x400 @ 52 in the afternoon!
Plus it's very easy to overtrain. He has stayed relatively healthy throughout his career.
Letsrun yells at people like "Rutt" for working too hard and then makes fun of people not working hard enough.
Take it for what it is. Some base training!
Thanks for the video, flotrack!
he was doing a workout to get at least 20 minutes at threshold pace, as per his coach, abdi bile(what a great runner he was back in the 1980s!!). 4:55 pace is sub 1:05 hm. It is January. This is a guy who has run 3:33/13:14? He knows what he is doing. I don't know what other workouts he is doing at this time of the year, but you can bet that in the next phase of training, say, March-June, he will be doing some very fast mile repeats, or be concentrating on much, much faster 200-1k workouts. So, maybe even a guy like myself could come close at times to this workout. That means nothing for this guy.
What have you been smoking. DT can not run a marathon at 4.52 pace dummy. He is about a 64-65 minutes half marathon runner at best. Why would he do a tempo workout faster than his current ability.
When it comes to understanding training you are a running novice. This is proven when you assume DT aerobic potential lies along an imaginary chart in a running book.
Let me spell it out.
DT threshold is probably around 4.50 ish a mile. He runs a progressive workout with 8 miles of worth at 4.55 pace. Seems like an excellent workout although you are clearly trolling as this is what champions do!
Really now?. wrote:
8x mile with 60 seconds STANDING recovery! Not even jogging.
510,503,500,500,500,451,448,445
Seems kinda weak? Doesn't it? I mean I would expect a world class miler with a good 5k to be able to run that continuously no question.
John Walker or Steve Scott sure would have, Rupp would do that for a 12 mile tempo!
Not being a dick, I'm a fan of his but just found the workout extremely soft, especially for a WOW.
The most amazing part is he did it in those damn Hoka's!!! Haha stunning.
Regardless, hope he has a good season and finds a 1500m PR!
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251776-Workout-Wednesday-Season-9/video/756614-Mile-Repeats-with-David-Torrence
It's about equal to an NCAA D1 distance runner workout; however, David is a 800/mile type and I would not expect to see him excel at this type of work out. Also, without knowing David's racing schedule, what he did the day before and what he will be doing the next day makes it impossible to judge.
it's early january dude.
-A. Rodgers