How can anyone be eaily fooled enough to get mixed up with Chiropractic adjustments?

Muscles move bones wrote:

I'm pretty sure that if my back is out of alignment, it's due to a muscle imbalance.

Short of scoliosis, there is no such thing as a back that's "out of alignment." The bones of the spine are held firmly in place by strong ligaments and their alignment never changes. Nor is there such a thing as a "muscle imbalance." All of these terms are pseudo-concepts.

Love of Lactate wrote:

I'm not saying that mainstream medicine doesn't have massive problems, but that doesn't justify running into the arms of blatant charlatans. How can anyone interested in health/fitness be dumb enough to believe that a chiropractor can actually "adjust" the position of the bones/joints in your spine? Do you shits not know anything about anatomy.

the placebo effect is real

it may not be scientific, but it still can work if you really believe it will

So why would some of the top back surgeons in the US recommend it and in some cases practice it?

Randy Oldman wrote:

So why would some of the top back surgeons in the US recommend it and in some cases practice it?

To get annoying patients without organic, surgically treatable disease out of their offices. And surgeons do not practice chiropractic. To be a surgeon you have to be a physician.

Randy Oldman wrote:

So why would some of the top back surgeons in the US recommend it and in some cases practice it?

Maybe cause its a billion dollar industry...?

Love of Lactate wrote:

I'm not saying that mainstream medicine doesn't have massive problems, but that doesn't justify running into the arms of blatant charlatans. How can anyone interested in health/fitness be dumb enough to believe that a chiropractor can actually "adjust" the position of the bones/joints in your spine? Do you shits not know anything about anatomy.

Then don't go too one.

I mean I could be wrong, since I have never been to one.

i'm happy for all of you skeptics, truly i mean this, that you haven't had to learn it the hard way.

the quackery is there, yes, and unfortunate. but the manipulation solved real problems for me. no placebo involved, but real joint/nerve issues causing real pain and impairment, gone. and my guy doesn't go for the quackery (much) either.

for the record, i was equally skeptical when i was healthy, too.

My medical insurance covers 30 visits a year without a co-pay. I take full advantage.

For those of you not familiar with this podcast, it can be quite interesting. Brian Dunning digs into various "fringe" topics, and breaks them down for what HE believes they are....things like ghosts, organic food, and even chiroproactic. I don't always agree with what he says, but it can be quite interesting.

The podcast above (along with the text) is related to chiropractic. I admit that I haven't listened to this podcast yet, nor did I read the transcript. As an aside, I've gone to the chiropractor many times and I'm not sure if it helped or not.

sdafwe wrote:

For those of you not familiar with this podcast, it can be quite interesting. Brian Dunning digs into various "fringe" topics, and breaks them down for what HE believes they are....things like ghosts, organic food, and even chiroproactic. I don't always agree with what he says, but it can be quite interesting..

I don't know if Brian Dunning a good source for fraudulent practices. Wasn't he just sentenced for wire fraud for bilking ebay out of over $5 million dollars?

I don't go to chiropractor doctors now, but have in the past. Many chiropractors offer such a variety of services that it is impossible to lump them into one small set of techniques.

I know that many elite U.S. runners have used chiropractors as part of their preparation or injury prevention/treatment.

You ARE dumb. Why would someone with no stake in chiropractic perform an experiment into physiology of why it work? There are numerous studies that demonstrate the effectiveness of chiropractic. Do a google search. Its easy. You go to

www.google.com

and type in "chiropractic research". Because you are so inclined, weed through the studies done at chiropractic colleges.

If the AMA could conduct experiments to show chiropractic is quackery to squash the profession, it would. But it knows it can't, so why spend money on it? The only people trying to get grants for studies are the ones who benefit from it.

Chiropractors didn't write physiology and neurology books that show changes in mechanoreceptor stimulation with joint dysfunction. That is a good place to start if you are inclined to understand. My guess is you are not.

Your full of it wrote:

heard that spiel wrote:

Chiros would be better off if they stopped over-hyping their service. There is a concept in sales called "talking yourself out of a sale." This occurs when you have talked someone into signing on the dotted line, but instead of closing the deal at the first chance, you keep yammering until you've said something to make the customer rethink their choice and walk away. This is exactly what chiros do.

What are you babbling about? What chiropractor has ever done that?

Pretty much every Chiropractor does that.

Wow, not good! I didn't know he was in trouble. Thanks for sharing.

Randy Oldman wrote:

My medical insurance covers 30 visits a year without a co-pay. I take full advantage.

Dam you must have that new Obama-care.

I get zilch-notta- didley- squat. Just a working for a living.

PTO wrote:

Randy Oldman wrote:

My medical insurance covers 30 visits a year without a co-pay. I take full advantage.

Dam you must have that new Obama-care.

I get zilch-notta- didley- squat. Just a working for a living.

I've been granted 30 visits a year as well for the last 4 years at my current position.

My proposition for you - go find a company that gives better benefits.

Randy Oldman wrote:

My medical insurance covers 30 visits a year without a co-pay. I take full advantage.

That's because they know that for non-life threatening running injuries, a placebo is much cheaper than you running around to real doctors and asking them for expensive MRIs and operations.

Love of Lactate wrote:

Muscles move bones wrote:

I'm pretty sure that if my back is out of alignment, it's due to a muscle imbalance.

Short of scoliosis, there is no such thing as a back that's "out of alignment." The bones of the spine are held firmly in place by strong ligaments and their alignment never changes. Nor is there such a thing as a "muscle imbalance." All of these terms are pseudo-concepts.

Funny you mention scoliosis. I have a friend who had(still has? I don't think it ever actually goes away) severe enough scoliosis to warrant several years in a corrective back brace and she's said the spinal orthopedist was adamant about NOT going to a chiropractor.

Chiropractors must have friends in high places at the government and/or insurance companies because the coverage for chiropractor visits is far more extensive than for physical therapy treatments. A lot of plans have per-injury AND lifetime limits on how often you can see a physical therapist but are much less stringent on seeing a chiropractor.

lol..you ever look at a spinal x-ray? Bones held firmly in place by strong ligaments? lol...there is such a thing as ligamentous creep. Chronic poor posture and repetitive activities can gradually stretch ligaments so they loose stability, especially the PLL witih poor posture. Get an education before making such ignorant comments.

Love of Lactate wrote:

Muscles move bones wrote:

I'm pretty sure that if my back is out of alignment, it's due to a muscle imbalance.

Short of scoliosis, there is no such thing as a back that's "out of alignment." The bones of the spine are held firmly in place by strong ligaments and their alignment never changes. Nor is there such a thing as a "muscle imbalance." All of these terms are pseudo-concepts.