Day tuh wrote:
Collin wrote:I know! It's also a good thing that single situations outweigh overwhelming amounts of data!
Like the data that shows gun ownership is way up in America while violent crime is significantly lower over the past 20+ years?
the "data" ? You mean something you pulled from your a$$ ?
Household gun ownership is WAY, WAY DOWN dummy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&I see that one article showed increased gun violence in Australia by percentage without raw numbers.
Here are some numbers:
In 2012 the US had 11,622 homicides by firearm.
Australia had 40.
So if Australia had a 19% increase of a multi-year period it means 6 additional people died.
If the US were to have an increase of half that rate, it would be an additional 1,000 people dying by gunfire.
Capitalist Bob wrote:
Look in the mirror wrote:You call people libtards, yet you support Eric Garner? Confused much?
I am not confused at all but you clearly are libtard!
We God fearing tea party capitalists always stick to our core principles, which are:
1) BIG GOVERNMENT is evil
2) TAXES are immoral
3) CORPORATIONS are people (...my friend)
4) JOB CREATORS are the heroes of our society
5) The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
6) Gay sex is icky (but we're obsessed with being BUTTHURT)
Based on these core principles applied to the Eric Garner situation, all God fearing tea party capitalist (or conservative for that matter) support Eric Garner and wish he would been armed so he could've more effectively stood up against BIG GOVERNMENT and immoral taxes! Where's the confusion in that?
9.8/10
Now this is quality work. Pay attention, you wannabes.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
Day tuh wrote:Like the data that shows gun ownership is way up in America while violent crime is significantly lower over the past 20+ years?
the "data" ? You mean something you pulled from your a$$ ?
Household gun ownership is WAY, WAY DOWN dummy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
NY times, LOL!!!
There have been 278 mass shootings in the US in 2014.
There has been 1 in Australia since 1996.
I figured out who Tranny Rexing is!! America FTW!
Here's his picture:
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2014/31/505cd0d455d0258537a4ef8382bef26f6bfa9c92.jpg
finisher medaI wrote:
NY times, LOL!!!
Yes of course....who can believe the NYT?!?!
The *numbers* in Australia show what happens when you ban guns...fewer people die. It really is that simple.
That is why the non-gun murder rates in Australia, Canada, US, UK are roughly the same, while the gun murder rates in these countries are all >0.5/100k people, except the US, where they are 3-4/100k. A difference of nearly 10x....go figure...
Tighter gun control was legislated in Oz in 1996 after a piece of dog excrement wandered into the cafe at historic Port Arthur and executed 36 people including little children.
In 2014 at Christmas in Australia'sbusiest city precinct another piece of dog excrement walks into a busy cafe and 14 hours later he shoots and kills the heroic Tori Johnson as Tori tries to wrestle the shotgun off him. He also kills brave Katrina Dawson as she shields her pregnant work colleague. Two othe hostages get wounded as the hostages flee.
The numbers. 36 dead pre gun control in a cafe shooting. 2 dead post gun control in cafe shooting. Mmmm, yeah I'm not fully convinced that we need to free up our gun laws based on this.
You quoted a recently elected Senator who is at the extreme far right of Australian politics when it comes to firearms.
He is the only Australian politician I have ever heard speak of the NRA in positive terms, he is about as far from neutral on the issue as there is.
As a firearms owner who went through the quite straightforward registration and licensing process the thing I cannot understand about America is their sheer bloody mindedness in their refusal to consider similar governance.
They say guns "don't kill people, people kill people" and then refuse to put in place a system that would prevent the most obvious psychos from owning guns.
But hey, you keep patting yourself on your back for protecting your freedoms while your kids get slaughtered in their schools.
After all, your right to unfettered firearm access is far more important than their right to life.
Randy Oldman wrote:
There have been 278 mass shootings in the US in 2014.
There has been 1 in Australia since 1996.
Exactly. There has been 1 mass shooting therefore gun control in Australia = failure.
As a Canadian, I agree.Americans have no clue how it works in other countries. They think gun control means you can't own a gun, and it bothers them because they believe it means they won't be able to enjoy their hobby.In Canada it is very straight forward to get a gun (if you don't have a criminal record and are not insane). I have my handgun license and my girlfriend and her sister have it too. We all did the course together. Now, while I don't own a gun, I could walk in to a store TODAY and buy a handgun upon displaying my license and ID. It's not a big deal and it certainly is not a "libtard vs conservadouche" issue.
An Australian wrote:
You quoted a recently elected Senator who is at the extreme far right of Australian politics when it comes to firearms.
He is the only Australian politician I have ever heard speak of the NRA in positive terms, he is about as far from neutral on the issue as there is.
As a firearms owner who went through the quite straightforward registration and licensing process the thing I cannot understand about America is their sheer bloody mindedness in their refusal to consider similar governance.
They say guns "don't kill people, people kill people" and then refuse to put in place a system that would prevent the most obvious psychos from owning guns.
But hey, you keep patting yourself on your back for protecting your freedoms while your kids get slaughtered in their schools.
After all, your right to unfettered firearm access is far more important than their right to life.
Seriously this is golden, read it like Stephen Colbert and it gets better.
Capitalist Bob wrote:
I am not confused at all but you clearly are libtard!
We God fearing tea party capitalists always stick to our core principles, which are:
1) BIG GOVERNMENT is evil
2) TAXES are immoral
3) CORPORATIONS are people (...my friend)
4) JOB CREATORS are the heroes of our society
5) The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
6) Gay sex is icky (but we're obsessed with being BUTTHURT)
Based on these core principles applied to the Eric Garner situation, all God fearing tea party capitalist (or conservative for that matter) support Eric Garner and wish he would been armed so he could've more effectively stood up against BIG GOVERNMENT and immoral taxes! Where's the confusion in that?
An Australian wrote:
You quoted a recently elected Senator who is at the extreme far right of Australian politics when it comes to firearms.
He is the only Australian politician I have ever heard speak of the NRA in positive terms, he is about as far from neutral on the issue as there is.
As a firearms owner who went through the quite straightforward registration and licensing process the thing I cannot understand about America is their sheer bloody mindedness in their refusal to consider similar governance.
They say guns "don't kill people, people kill people" and then refuse to put in place a system that would prevent the most obvious psychos from owning guns.
But hey, you keep patting yourself on your back for protecting your freedoms while your kids get slaughtered in their schools.
After all, your right to unfettered firearm access is far more important than their right to life.
All he's suggesting is that the rate of firearm-related deaths was trending down anyway, both in Austalia and New Zealand, a comparable country that didn't bring in draconian measures. It has continued to decrease, but it by no means certain that the expensive buy-back scheme and banning certain types of weapon had anything to do with that. Mass shootings are a rare event there, anyway, so a decrease in a rare event could be due to a ton of other influences.
Remember, correlation does not equal causation.
Lydiard is God wrote:
Remember, correlation does not equal causation.
Thanks genius, none of us knew that.
And guess what doesn't = non-causation? Simply saying: 'well, the rates were trending down anyway, so....any further trend down was gonna happen with or without any action." As I quoted you, at least one of those papers finding the null result (i.e., no result of gun control measure) would have found the same result if there had been ZERO or NEGATIVE murders (yes, impossible) in Australia. They way they set up their model, no matter how few murders happened in the country, it was gonna show a null result. Completely silly. As I referenced for you already:
" The log of the death rate (with the analysis focusing on rates of change of fatalities rather than absolute levels of change) is com- monly used to eliminate the absurdity of a negative death rate. Using such an approach (and even examining the 1979–2003 period), researchers found support for a statistically significant effect of the NFA on total firearm deaths."
AND...
["The massive Australian gun buyback occurred over two calendar years, 1996–1997. Firearm homicide and firearm suicide dropped substantially in both years, for a cumulative 2-year drop in firearm homicide of 46 per cent and in firearm suicide of 43 per cent. Never in any 2-year period, from 1915–2004 had firearm suicide dropped so precipitously."
Yes, this *could* have a big coincidence, however, that is unlikely considering how huge the drop was, how unprecedented it was in history in their country, and how it matched up with other studies demonstrating a 'less guns = less suicides and murder' relationship.
The reason gun control never gets better in America is that the gun fearers just want to take them away. Lots more could be accomplished if they just said, "You know what, have your guns, but you have to be licensed and you have to go through a safety class to get licensed."
Instead it's "Look at Australia, they took guns away! Let's take guns away too!"
You need to learn to compromise. I'm willing to. Lots of others are willing to.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
So yo are HONESTLY going to continue with the schtick/debating tactic of just shouting....
"ha ha you are a LIBTARD, and a BUTTHURT LIBTARD at that. Your BUTTHURT is TRANSPARENT, you FREEDOM HATING BUTTHURT LIBTARD. What a dumb GAY LIBTARD you are ! USA USA USA FTW!!
...over, and over, and over, and over, and OVER again?? Honestly??
(and then you every 5 posts you pretend that you occasionally have a point and should be taken seriously. This is shockingly infantile and bizarre behavior even for the typical right winger on letsrun.)
And your transparent "butt hurt" continues.
Everyone see's it. You are so paranoid you think only 1 person is pointing it out.
We are laughing at you libtard!
Go ahead and share some more of the projections you have about GUNS; if YOU HAD A GUN you would shoot people if they honk at you in your Prius. What about that you sick freak?
Those are telling.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
Day tuh wrote:Like the data that shows gun ownership is way up in America while violent crime is significantly lower over the past 20+ years?
the "data" ? You mean something you pulled from your a$$ ?
Household gun ownership is WAY, WAY DOWN dummy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
Still pushing the NYT lies.
Keep grasping libtard.
Obama has proven to be the best gun salesman in AMERICAN History. Gun manufactures can't make them fast enough to meet consumer demand.
The gun makers love the current POTU$!
A Canadian wrote:
As a Canadian, I agree.
Americans have no clue how it works in other countries. They think gun control means you can't own a gun, and it bothers them because they believe it means they won't be able to enjoy their hobby.
In Canada it is very straight forward to get a gun (if you don't have a criminal record and are not insane). I have my handgun license and my girlfriend and her sister have it too. We all did the course together. Now, while I don't own a gun, I could walk in to a store TODAY and buy a handgun upon displaying my license and ID. It's not a big deal and it certainly is not a "libtard vs conservadouche" issue.
An Australian wrote:You quoted a recently elected Senator who is at the extreme far right of Australian politics when it comes to firearms.
He is the only Australian politician I have ever heard speak of the NRA in positive terms, he is about as far from neutral on the issue as there is.
As a firearms owner who went through the quite straightforward registration and licensing process the thing I cannot understand about America is their sheer bloody mindedness in their refusal to consider similar governance.
They say guns "don't kill people, people kill people" and then refuse to put in place a system that would prevent the most obvious psychos from owning guns.
But hey, you keep patting yourself on your back for protecting your freedoms while your kids get slaughtered in their schools.
After all, your right to unfettered firearm access is far more important than their right to life.
As an American I don't give a Ratt's a$$ about Canada, China, England, Austraia, or any other socialist country.
Food for thought.
fdfsdfasdfsadf wrote:
The reason gun control never gets better in America is that the gun fearers just want to take them away. Lots more could be accomplished if they just said, "You know what, have your guns, but you have to be licensed and you have to go through a safety class to get licensed."
Instead it's "Look at Australia, they took guns away! Let's take guns away too!"
You need to learn to compromise. I'm willing to. Lots of others are willing to.
Seriously? Nobody credible is proposing that we ban private gun ownership. It's the zealots on the right who act like the most basic measures possible to keep guns out of the hands of the insane are really designed to destroy the American way of life and kill Jesus or whatever. Because what's the lives of a few children compared to my right to furiously masturbate into the barrels of all 15 of my assault rifles?
osm wrote:
fdfsdfasdfsadf wrote:The reason gun control never gets better in America is that the gun fearers just want to take them away. Lots more could be accomplished if they just said, "You know what, have your guns, but you have to be licensed and you have to go through a safety class to get licensed."
Instead it's "Look at Australia, they took guns away! Let's take guns away too!"
You need to learn to compromise. I'm willing to. Lots of others are willing to.
Seriously? Nobody credible is proposing that we ban private gun ownership. It's the zealots on the right who act like the most basic measures possible to keep guns out of the hands of the insane are really designed to destroy the American way of life and kill Jesus or whatever. Because what's the lives of a few children compared to my right to furiously masturbate into the barrels of all 15 of my assault rifles?
Who is going to keep these guns out of the hands of the supposed army of maniacs?
The DOJ? LOL!
