Love them or hate them, the New England Patriots are the greatest sports team of my generation

Why would belecheat take the chance if there was no benefit? He does everything for a reason, he did that to have an edge. Wake up, he is a cheat, whatever it takes.

Would love to be a pats fan wrote:

Brady may be greatest of all time with under inflated footballs and knowing the defense before the play with stolen signals. It is a hard comparison because the other all time greats did not cheat. Like comparing Barry bonds to hank Aaron. Brady is an altime great for sure as are the pats. Unfortunately the taint is always there. Like yesterday when they ran up the score and left Brady on the field. Any other team would pull him and save for the Super Bowl but not bellcheck and Brady they need more scores. I have never seen such a combination of talent hard work and insecurity thr leads to seeking an edge that is often not needed. Sad really.

What is sad is your inability to be even remotely objective, use sound logic, and apply legitimate analogies. Nothing has been more overblown than spygate. After the Patriots were told to stop filming in Sep 2007, they won seventeen straight games. Go read about some of the crap Al Davis did with the Raiders in the 70s to gain a competitive advantage.

People like you are just going to hate. Time to go change your tampon.

I think there's a benefit, I just think the benefit is very, very small. It kind of fits Belichick's personality. His style of cheating was to devise an elaborate scheme to collect signals that wouldn't be used during the same game, or maybe never, but would give some assistant something to do if he tried leaving the office at 9 PM.Yeah, it was cheating. I believe I said that. But the take-home is:1. Every football team cheats. I bet on 75% of plays you could find at least one person one each team who's pulling a jersey, blocking from behind, etc.2. The whole Spygate thing was marginally useful at best, and they got caught. Belichick is a terrible cheater. Much more useful to just poke the QB in the eye.

Take a chance wrote:

Why would belecheat take the chance if there was no benefit? He does everything for a reason, he did that to have an edge. Wake up, he is a cheat, whatever it takes.

Could someone pleas tell me, in this whole ball under-inflation accusation, how did the Patriots manage to ensure that the Colts did get to use these special, easier to throw in the rain balls and thus reap the same advantage? Did the Patriots also bribe the crew that handles the balls? At some point, does anyone think it might be possible that maybe, just maybe, some sour grapes person associated with the Colts slung some mud just to try to make the Patriots look bad?Yup, that's right. If the Patriots hadn't taken a little air out of the balls that both teams get to use then the Colts would have won. No chance of sour grapes here at all.

Would love to be a pats fan wrote:

Brady may be greatest of all time with under inflated footballs and knowing the defense before the play with stolen signals. It is a hard comparison because the other all time greats did not cheat. Like comparing Barry bonds to hank Aaron. Brady is an altime great for sure as are the pats. Unfortunately the taint is always there. Like yesterday when they ran up the score and left Brady on the field. Any other team would pull him and save for the Super Bowl but not bellcheck and Brady they need more scores. I have never seen such a combination of talent hard work and insecurity thr leads to seeking an edge that is often not needed. Sad really.

And while we're at it, I believe we saw the same sour grapes come into play last week with John Harbaugh. First thing he says on the issue is that the Patriots were being "deceptive" by using ineligible receivers with eligible receiver numbers. Heaven forbid that a football coach in the NFL could actually come up with something to confuse an opponent and would hang onto it until the post season. The nerve! The whole Patriots are cheaters thing is done and over. You bet they cheat...about as much as every other team on in the league. A little holding here, a little push off there.

Would love to be a pats fan wrote:

Brady may be greatest of all time with under inflated footballs and knowing the defense before the play with stolen signals. It is a hard comparison because the other all time greats did not cheat. Like comparing Barry bonds to hank Aaron. Brady is an altime great for sure as are the pats. Unfortunately the taint is always there. Like yesterday when they ran up the score and left Brady on the field. Any other team would pull him and save for the Super Bowl but not bellcheck and Brady they need more scores. I have never seen such a combination of talent hard work and insecurity thr leads to seeking an edge that is often not needed. Sad really.

[quote]Ghost of Mosi wrote:

Could someone pleas tell me, in this whole ball under-inflation accusation, how did the Patriots manage to ensure that the Colts did get to use these special, easier to throw in the rain balls and thus reap the same advantage? Did the Patriots also bribe the crew that handles the balls? At some point, does anyone think it might be possible that maybe, just maybe, some sour grapes person associated with the Colts slung some mud just to try to make the Patriots look bad?

Yup, that's right. If the Patriots hadn't taken a little air out of the balls that both teams get to use then the Colts would have won. No chance of sour grapes here at [quote]

The visiting team brings twelve of its own balls and uses those when on offense. The home team does provide some back up balls in addition to their twelve.

Why this would be hard to pull off, though, is that after the balls are provided to the officials and pass inspection, no one from either team is supposed to have access to the balls on the sidelines except the designated equipment guy. The reason the Colts are suspicious is because in the November game, after they picked off Brady, they thought the ball was a little underinflated. That game was in a dome, however, so I don't know why the Pats would have done it.

In any event, the officials handle the game ball on EVERY SINGLE play. If all the Pats balls were that underinflated, why didn't the officials notice?

The Bulls are the best team of your generation. Six championships, the best record of all time in the NBA (72-10), perhaps the best athlete in all sports not named Wilt, not a single game seven in that run of championships, and the six championships were all won between 1991 and 1998 (1991-93, 96-98).

The Patriots have been very good, three titles and now six finals, over a long period, about 13 years, despite the NFL's hard cap. They need to win some more titles. This one would be a good start.

1 the Pats are so good they should not have to resort to their tactics/cheat

2 Kurt Warner and Jeff fisher say it mattered

3 it is amazing how red up the Boston types get it is like saying Buckner to them

All it takes is the taint and the whole arguments get derailed

Rally around your unethical edge seeking heroes. Sad in football and sad on letsrun to hear it isn't cheating, everybody does it, and it made no difference. Take your heroes with a dose of reality chaps It will never go away. There will always be an Englishman or two in your Irish pub. You may win the shutdown on the pub but on the street reality rules

Stop beast mode off you can

I have NO idea what you just wrote.

Would like to be a Pats fan wrote:

1 the Pats are so good they should not have to resort to their tactics/cheat

2 Kurt Warner and Jeff fisher say it mattered

3 it is amazing how red up the Boston types get it is like saying Buckner to them

All it takes is the taint and the whole arguments get derailed

Rally around your unethical edge seeking heroes. Sad in football and sad on letsrun to hear it isn't cheating, everybody does it, and it made no difference. Take your heroes with a dose of reality chaps It will never go away. There will always be an Englishman or two in your Irish pub. You may win the shutdown on the pub but on the street reality rules

Stop beast mode off you can

Don't forget Pete Carroll and the Seahawks are no stranger to a little cheating themselves.

1. My premise is that everybody resorts to these tactics. I guess they should feel flattered that you think that they don't have to. By "these tactics" I mean the things they were actually caught doing, not the BS they get accused of doing (see my first post on page 6).2. Kurt Warner and Jeff Fisher lost a game in which the Patriots were never found to do anything wrong, and they only evidence otherwise is the word of a disgruntled former employee. The Boston Herald retracted that story. Again, see first post on page 6). 3. Yup, Boston fans hate it when you acuse a beloved and successful team of doing something underhanded that they didn't do. Wouldn't any real fan?4. People sling mud at the Patriots when they lose because they know that non-critical thinkers will just drink it in. Just ask Terrell Suggs about "Brady flopping," as if he did it anymore than anyone else.

Would like to be a Pats fan wrote:

1 the Pats are so good they should not have to resort to their tactics/cheat

2 Kurt Warner and Jeff fisher say it mattered

3 it is amazing how red up the Boston types get it is like saying Buckner to them

All it takes is the taint and the whole arguments get derailed

Rally around your unethical edge seeking heroes. Sad in football and sad on letsrun to hear it isn't cheating, everybody does it, and it made no difference. Take your heroes with a dose of reality chaps It will never go away. There will always be an Englishman or two in your Irish pub. You may win the shutdown on the pub but on the street reality rules

Stop beast mode off you can

jjjjjj wrote:

The Bulls are the best team of your generation. Six championships, the best record of all time in the NBA (72-10), perhaps the best athlete in all sports not named Wilt, not a single game seven in that run of championships, and the six championships were all won between 1991 and 1998 (1991-93, 96-98).

The Bulls couldn't hold the Celtics' jocks.

Marshall Faulk says they cheated that's good enough for me

Lance Armstrong belichik Eddie Haskell

Rosie Ruiz

Just love the 50 shades of cheating

Boston guys are not much. They show up in droves for Conor macgregor and call him their own. Ain't been a tough Boston kid in 25 years.

Beast mode is comin for you. Brady is gonna get joe theismanned soon

Do you have an English speaking friend who might post for you?

To the OP the Pats were almost a dynasty. The SF Giants are actually above them as greatest team right now as are a lot of others. It really must seem like the Pats are great to some people but just not the greatest

At least on this point we can agree, Seattle vs. New England will be settled between the lines. I think enough of Pete Carrol to say that if he doesn't win, he won't cry and make excuses. Marshawn will be tough, I hope the Patriots are up to the challenge. Are far as Brady getting "theismanned," I have nothing to say. I like it better when the other team has everybody and still gets beat.

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Marshall Faulk says they cheated that's good enough for me

Lance Armstrong belichik Eddie Haskell

Rosie Ruiz

Just love the 50 shades of cheating

Boston guys are not much. They show up in droves for Conor macgregor and call him their own. Ain't been a tough Boston kid in 25 years.

Beast mode is comin for you. Brady is gonna get joe theismanned soon[/quote]

One thing is apparent for SB 49: If the Pats win, dynasty confirmed. If the Hawks win: dynasty begins.

Marshawn is eating skittles and groovin' on the sideline while down 12 with 2:30 to go....

BRING ON THE EPIC!!!!!!!

When I saw Marshawn doing that I wondered what the hell is he thinking? Now it's clear he had the right idea. Stay loose and don't get down. To me what stands out the most about the Seahawks is that Pete Carrol understands people's talents. I mean the Bills had Marshawn then drafted Fred Jackson and unloaded Marshawn. The Bills probably would have never gotten Beast Mode out of him but Carrol understood him. Their roster has amazing depth. If they keep drafting and signing wisely and getting the most out of their players then there's no way they won't be a force for years. They are going to be tough in the SB. If the Patriots win It'll be by three or less.

12th Man wrote:

One thing is apparent for SB 49: If the Pats win, dynasty confirmed. If the Hawks win: dynasty begins.

Marshawn is eating skittles and groovin' on the sideline while down 12 with 2:30 to go....

BRING ON THE EPIC!!!!!!!

'they have one of the hardest schedules...'

No. They. Don't.

they play 6 of their 16 games against 3 pretty dysfunctional franchises, year after year. Bill, dolphins, Jets. I am a Bills fan and i know this well. 6/16 = about 40%. that gives you an easy schedule and home field advantage, routinely. This, IMHO, is also why Indy has been getting clobbered in tough games: look at their division: titans, jaguars, Texans. Soft schedule, fewer gut-check games to hone mental toughness and perfect a highly competitive approach to the game.