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6 years ago 03/20/2018 8:45pm EDT

re: Wowww

2004. My mind was still on the Cram/Coe/Aouita thread.

El Guerrouj said: "We will see in 20 or 30 years who took drugs and who didn't. Look what happened to Chelimo."

Asked if he was saying that Chelimo's death was linked to taking performance-enhancing drugs, El Guerrouj replied: "I'm not saying anything. I am simply pointing out that not long ago Chelimo was a healthy athlete. And now, at 29, he's dead."

Richard Chelimo

Chelimo died from a brain tumour on Wednesday

He added: "In the years to come many athletes will die because of doping. Believe me, there will be more premature deaths."

El Guerrouj's comments came as athletics officials announced that the world 5,000m silver medalist, Ali Saidi-Sief of Algeria, had tested positive for the banned steroid nandrolone.

Saidi-Sief faces a disciplinary hearing and risks a lengthy ban and being stripped of his medal.

"He has tarnished Algeria's image, and that upsets me after everything that athletes like Noureddine Morceli have done for Algeria," El Guerrouj told Swiss weekly dimance.ch.

He expressed surprise that Saidi-Sief had tested positive for nandrolone, which is usually considered to boost performance in sprint events rather than longer races.

6 years ago 03/20/2018 9:18pm EDT

re: intell

I'm having a hard time following a couple posts here. Are there some people who think he was actually clean?

6 years ago 03/21/2018 1:24am EDT

re: Devil Dog

Devil Dog wrote:
I'm having a hard time following a couple posts here. Are there some people who think he was actually clean?

Only those naive folks who spend their days looking for Big Foot.

6 years ago 03/21/2018 2:22am EDT

re: old memories

old memories wrote:
You have to understand that El G was everything to track and field at the time. He was the reason the Golden League was so important. Stadiums filled to see him run. The sport had no interest in seeing positive tests come to light, and given the lack of testing anyway, he was good to go. They had him wear his ribbon and decry doping and all was good.
I remember watching him run and he was practically flawless, made 1:51 at 800 of 1500 look like a jog. His ability to fly all over the world, rarely having a bad race and easily running sub 3:30 points to heavy EPO use. The federation was in on it, and everybody was doing it. Those were the unspoken rules of the game but dont think that El G wouldn't have beaten those guys with or without chemical aid. I suspect they introduced hgh into the regimen later, as his skeletal structure seemed to change slightly (more pronounced brow, jaw, teeth) but this could just as easily be attributed to continued aging and training adaptation.
Morocco took its most promising athletes and put them through intensive, scientific training from early on. Their compound was something altogether daunting but highly effective. El G had a team of doctors checking him at all times and a training group specifically designed to sacrifice themselves for him. He was a preternatural talent, a workhorse, and a carefully orchestrated product of science. Watching him click off 55 second laps like clockwork still gives me chills. He certainly had a 3:25 mid in him, 3:24--I don't know.
A fascinating athlete to say the least!

Post of the day

The worst.

The people in prison would have got rich anyway.

With his finish he'd have been an average championship runner without EPO.

Scientific training my arse. He copied Coe training added more endurance and then some more with EPO. You can't say who would win clean because responders etc

6 years ago 03/21/2018 8:35am EDT

re: ukathleticscoach

It would have been funny if he had ran 3:24. A guy who never broke 1:47 for 800m running 3:24, but only slightly more insane than him running 3:26.00 as he did.

I doubt very much he could have ever ran 3:24, even with everything he was taking. Maybe he was hoping for some new advanced form of EPO to come out or some other new super PED, but he ran so many 1500ms in his career so it's clear that 3:26 flat was his optimal performance.

Well the clock is ticking and we're nearly 20 years past that interview. I wonder if El G's words will come back to haunt him?

6 years ago 03/21/2018 8:40am EDT

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
It would have been funny if he had ran 3:24. A guy who never broke 1:47 for 800m running 3:24, but only slightly more insane than him running 3:26.00 as he did.
I doubt very much he could have ever ran 3:24, even with everything he was taking. Maybe he was hoping for some new advanced form of EPO to come out or some other new super PED, but he ran so many 1500ms in his career so it's clear that 3:26 flat was his optimal performance.
Well the clock is ticking and we're nearly 20 years past that interview. I wonder if El G's words will come back to haunt him?

Also, notice how in his 1500 WR he had a pacemaker until at least the 1300m mark. That itself was only possible because even the pacemakers were clearly out of their skulls on EPO. The likes of Coe had to run even his 800m WRs virtually the last lap solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyoRtYr8mdc

6 years ago 03/21/2018 6:26pm EDT

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
Coevett wrote:
It would have been funny if he had ran 3:24. A guy who never broke 1:47 for 800m running 3:24, but only slightly more insane than him running 3:26.00 as he did.
I doubt very much he could have ever ran 3:24, even with everything he was taking. Maybe he was hoping for some new advanced form of EPO to come out or some other new super PED, but he ran so many 1500ms in his career so it's clear that 3:26 flat was his optimal performance.
Well the clock is ticking and we're nearly 20 years past that interview. I wonder if El G's words will come back to haunt him?
Also, notice how in his 1500 WR he had a pacemaker until at least the 1300m mark. That itself was only possible because even the pacemakers were clearly out of their skulls on EPO. The likes of Coe had to run even his 800m WRs virtually the last lap solo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyoRtYr8mdc

The pacer was Noah Ngeny.

6 years ago 03/21/2018 7:12pm EDT

re: azdfgdfg

Umm, yes. Good chance all of those guys were on EPO back then. Before the EPO test was developed, what did athletes have to lose (besides morals).

6 years ago 03/21/2018 7:34pm EDT

re: ukathleticscoach

The gossip and rumors of Hicham El Guerrouj’s doping return again!

If you really want to know something about his training methods, here I share the videos I recorded of conferences held in Seville, Spain in November 1999.

His coach Abdelkader Kada gave a description (in French) of the training methods and a technical analysis of his stride, altitude training camps and other topics. At the end of the conferences I had the opportunity to talk with him during the dinner and I understood a little better that the success of El Guerrouj was actually the great opportunity for a coach to meet with an athlete of exceptional talent in an environment where athletics was an important sport in that country, with all the means available for its development at the highest level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FEqF_0iRAQ&index=4&list=PLOvzT0p76beMngmaXyusXuB8AnAOQlY20

6 years ago 03/21/2018 7:39pm EDT

re: Marco Velediaz

Marco Velediaz wrote:
The gossip and rumors of Hicham El Guerrouj’s doping return again!
If you really want to know something about his training methods, here I share the videos I recorded of conferences held in Seville, Spain in November 1999.
His coach Abdelkader Kada gave a description (in French) of the training methods and a technical analysis of his stride, altitude training camps and other topics. At the end of the conferences I had the opportunity to talk with him during the dinner and I understood a little better that the success of El Guerrouj was actually the great opportunity for a coach to meet with an athlete of exceptional talent in an environment where athletics was an important sport in that country, with all the means available for its development at the highest level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FEqF_0iRAQ&index=4&list=PLOvzT0p76beMngmaXyusXuB8AnAOQlY20

Worst POD

6 years ago 03/21/2018 7:53pm EDT

re: SomeThings

The altitude training camps in Ifrane and Font Romeau (France) were fundamental during El Guerrouj’s preparation to achieve world records. Hicham reached his world records to the 4th-5th day of going back at sea level. The average of his stays at high altitude was 4 or 5 times a year. Here is another old article:

http://run-down.com/guests/mv_el_guerrouj.php

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