Kansas high schooler opens his season with 15:04 at MO Southern Stampede.

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my dude 87 wrote:

The course last weekend was hardly what it was like 3 years ago when Zach set the record.. it had rained all day Wednesday and Thursday and the course was very soft in a lot of areas, as well as a few muddy patches, and strong winds picking up in the closing minutes of the race. Definitely a slow day (maybe 20 seconds?) for everyone. When Herriott set that record in 2011 it was a perfect day (hard ground, no wind etc). and I know this because I have been at the kc metro meet for the past few years. I also know Stuart went through the 4k mark around 12:20 and pretty much decided to simply coast it in from there as he had already pushed a 30-35 second gap.

The kid has serious talent, and he will prove it come November/December

I'm well aware of what the course was like Saturday and what it was like in 2011. It was not as bad as you describe - certainly not "soft in a lot of areas" - but you are correct that it was not as good of conditions as when Zach ran. It was also exponentially better conditions and a faster course layout than when Korolev ran 15:34 for the Ray Pec Invite in 2009.

He's a great runner, but he was 3rd at Rim Rock. Maybe a 7-15 guy nationally on a good day. Hardly LRC worthy.

Because I ran the course with another person who had a gps watch as well. We had 3.05 and 3.06. We were not able to stick to the shortest possible route because of other runners on the course. Another coach had his entire team warm up on the course of Friday with gps watches. They all had the same measurements (from 3.04 to 3.06). I did not get a chance to get my wheel on the course but I will guarantee you that the course is short. I am certain the wheel would show a shorter measurement than the gps watches. It is closer to 3 miles than it is to 5000 meters.

Collin wrote:

mapmyrun or something, which will always measure long due to you not running corners the way they measure them.

Mapmyrun measures long because that's what it's calibrated to do, the same as the map on the USATF site, nothing to do with the corners. I've checked courses with both of those sites, at the most expanded settings, and they often show a 1/10 of a mile longer reading than the course really is.

Stuart is a beast. He goes to one of the schools in my county and I race him sometimes. He's real fast on a track too, I think he's under 9:10

ks1 wrote:

Stuart McNutt won the Missouri Southern Stampede in 15:04. He was 25th at NXN last year.

Southern Stampede XC Invitational - 9/20/2014

Entries and Results by: TRXC Timing

Joplin, MO

1 McNutt, Stuart SR Blue Valley West 15:04.86

2 Barrett, Ben SR Norman North 15:05.81

3 Osen, Riley JR Winfield 15:54.99

http://parser.dyestat.com/meetresults.jsp?meetID=74322#.VB3zkvldUTo

FYI. Chile Pepper 5k last Saturday, Fayetteville, AR

Place Athlete Name Time Points

1 Ben Barrett SR - Norman North 15:02.5 1

2 Michael KarlsSR - Festus 15:04.8 2

3 Stephen MugecheSR- Blue Springs 15:06.7 3

4 Tyler Gillam SR - Festus 15:08.0 4

5 Bryce BalenseifenSR- Deer Creek 15:10.6 5

6 Clayton AdamsSO - Kearney (MO) 15:10.7 6

SIAP

Chile Pepper is short also

I'm guessing you didn't run both races then? You obviously never went and looked at the soccer field grass area that was wet as can be, 2900-3200 area as well was very muddy, and the back straight from about 1600-2000. Definitely enough to slow your acceleration down on a course with a lot of turns.

I know Stuart personally. The guy ran 9:01 for 32 in a time trial by himself after the 6A blue valley track regional, mental toughness beyond belief. And yeah he was 3rd at rim rock, ON A BAD DAY. He ran 15:33 by himself there at rim rock at state an entire year ago. He also broke Jake Leingangs (Oregon) course record from NxR as a junior. He's nothing to scoff at, and like I said, he will prove that in the latter half of the season

Usatf mapping works pretty well id say. I've measured courses that I know for a fact are legitimate and they come out as exactly 5.00 km/3.107 miles

my dude 87 wrote:

I'm guessing you didn't run both races then? You obviously never went and looked at the soccer field grass area that was wet as can be, 2900-3200 area as well was very muddy, and the back straight from about 1600-2000. Definitely enough to slow your acceleration down on a course with a lot of turns.

I know Stuart personally. The guy ran 9:01 for 32 in a time trial by himself after the 6A blue valley track regional, mental toughness beyond belief. And yeah he was 3rd at rim rock, ON A BAD DAY. He ran 15:33 by himself there at rim rock at state an entire year ago. He also broke Jake Leingangs (Oregon) course record from NxR as a junior. He's nothing to scoff at, and like I said, he will prove that in the latter half of the season

Maybe he is better at solo time trials then because last fall with 3-4 college guys pacing him for a 3200m time trial he dropped out.

I've run the Ray Pec course many times in various conditions, not that it matters. I was there at metro for his 15:37. I was also there in 2009 when you were in grade school.

I am biased b/c I'm from Kansas...but I would definitely be willing to bet Rim Rock was a bad day for him. Not saying he is going to win any national championship this year or anything...but it'll be surprising if he's not much closer than he was last year (for example, 25th @ NXN). As someone else already stated, he ran Moso 11 seconds faster than last year, a year he ran 14:58, broke Jake Leingang's course record at NXN Heartland, and placed 25th @ NXN. Nothing to scoff at if I may say so. He ran Rim Rock only 4 seconds slower than last season at the Classic...I think it's reasonable to assume he had a bad day.

Also, not that this is a good excuse, but it's an excuse nonetheless...he is hot used to running with good competition because Kansas doesn't really provide that and he rarely makes it to high-end meets. Too bad he didn't have a good day at Rim Rock because I was thinking that would be a good opportunity for him to turn some heads. Anyway, we will know if he is going to contend by the time the later season comes around. I personally wouldn't rule him out.

BTW my dude 87, since you personally know him...I never found out what kept him out of track season...do you know what it was?

[quote]midwestern life wrote:

Maybe he is better at solo time trials then because last fall with 3-4 college guys pacing him for a 3200m time trial he dropped out.

You talk such ignorance when you don't even know the whole background of his story. He was on a car ride home from a family trip for about 4-5 hours before that time trial, and why is it that you hone in on his sub-par performances and ignore all of his obvious accomplishments? What do you have against arguably one of the most talented kids to come out of kansas?

I do know why he decided not to run during track season, but it's probably not the most appropriate of places to share on LetsRun! I can say it wasn't because of injury or legal/behavioral trouble or anything along those lines though, but it was definitely in his best interest to not run for his high school last season. From what i know right now he will most likely be running this year however

As I said at the time of this thread, the course is short. Wheeled the course at 4827m. So it is 3 miles, not 5000m.

Coacher of XC wrote:

As I said at the time of this thread, the course is short. Wheeled the course at 4827m. So it is 3 miles, not 5000m.

Wheeled the course again and got 4823m this time. Course has not changed in a long time now. Very short course. I am sure that the 6k and 8k that will be used tomorrow for regionals are both extremely short as well. Disregard all times run on this course.