Congratulations on a FINE year Galen Rupp!

ceiling guy wrote:

PS, I'll give you 6/10 on trolling. You are not bad and put in a lot of effort, but a few things are too obvious:

1) You think you are far more clever than you really are

2) You clearly celebrate yourself

3) You are actually writing this out of bias against Rupp, which takes points away since a true master troll is completely objective

You should give me a zero, since I am not nor have I ever been "trolling."

1. You have no notion of how clever I am or how clever I think I am.

2. So did Walt Whitman. Go back to school grasshopper.

3. NOBODY is "completely objective," but I simply am able to ascertain the obvious which is elusive for so many...

ceiling guy wrote:

800 Coach wrote:

Of course it was a great season. And it still stands that Rupp is the only athlete in the world to be able to challenge and "get in the race" with the top African born distance runners.

Ben True is getting close but needs to adopt some of those "gimmicks" he talks about in order to stay with the top runners during the last 2 laps.

True about True, but he also benefitted from a slow race. I doubt he's ready to be there in a race that dabbles around 12:50-13:05 pace. That's different from a perfectly paced race like Cardinal, it's a more typical diamond league race that has 1K splits varying from 2:32-2:38 and then has a big finish at the end.

He did not benefit from a slow race. He's a strength runner that can't finish with the best 5000m runners. How does a slow race benefit true?

Its a very solid floor at that when you look at the data.

Just something to meditate on and blow your mind.

From this thread was mentioned something of significance to many discussions on this board, yet it is not being picked up on:

"On June 10th and July 5th Galen went for the American record attempt in the outdoor 5000m. Both times he fell short due to un-fair conditions and poor pacing."

Somebody added the above to Rupp's wikipedia page. This info contradicts the NOP camp's apologetic stance that they were practicing tactics in the DL races (which did seem to contradict their indications earlier in the year that indeed they were looking to get into a fast 5000m race, with the likelihood of getting the AR).

What "unfair conditions" are being referred to. Regarding the pacing, if Rupp had gone out with the pacers, like he did in Stockholm, then maybe the pacers would have kept going at their initial paces.

SPMBLNPF wrote:

ceiling guy wrote:

PS, I'll give you 6/10 on trolling. You are not bad and put in a lot of effort, but a few things are too obvious:

1) You think you are far more clever than you really are

2) You clearly celebrate yourself

3) You are actually writing this out of bias against Rupp, which takes points away since a true master troll is completely objective

You should give me a zero, since I am not nor have I ever been "trolling."

1. You have no notion of how clever I am or how clever I think I am.

2. So did Walt Whitman. Go back to school grasshopper.

3. NOBODY is "completely objective," but I simply am able to ascertain the obvious which is elusive for so many...

7/10

As I explained to Renato Canova a few days ago, Rupp's fitness is like a donut. He is fit to 3000 meters, and he is fit at 10,000 meters but there is a big hole in his fitness somewhere between which includes 5000m.

This is plain from comparing the 5000m performances of those around Rupp on the indoor 3000 all time list. He has the 12th best mark and only 6 performers have ever gone faster. Kenenisa Bekele ranks one spot below him despite having run the event more often. Choge has run many more 3000i's than Rupp, but is only 2 seconds faster.

Switch to 5000, and it's a whole new ball game. Bekele is 21 seconds ahead. Soi is .2 seconds faster in 3000i but 7 seconds in 5000. Choge is 5 seconds faster at 5000. Tariku Bekele is 1 second slower at 3000 but 6 seconds faster at 5000. Alamirew, 2.4 seconds and 10 seconds. Lagat is 2 slower and 5 faster. Gebrhiwet, 2 slower and 11 faster. Isaiah Koech, 2 slower and 10 faster.

These are all modern runners who get the same rebound on the same indoor tracks as Rupp. Does that somehow work for Rupp and nobody else? I think not. Rupp has a MD speed that does not carry over to 5000, and a 10000m endurance that does not work at higher speeds.

Rupp should stop running the 5000 and pick either MD or LD. One or the other and he might start winning international races.

Rupp had a great year. Even his 5000s were very good. He is more competitive than he has ever been. Time is important but so is competing. He continues to do well in his second best event. He may never run a 12:50 but I would say he improved at both the 5000 and 10000 this year. Who knows if he is done improving.

Bad Wigins wrote:

These are all modern runners who get the same rebound on the same indoor tracks as Rupp. Does that somehow work for Rupp and nobody else? I think not.

Any beneficial rebound (trampoline effect) is going to be a function of:

1) the specific track's mechanics (Rupp set those records at the Boston indoor track.)

2) the mass of the runner (Rupp at least appears bigger than the runners you cite.)

3) the runner's specific footstrike (stance, etc.) mechanics

Rupp should stop running the 5000 and pick either MD or LD. One or the other and he might start winning international races.

Two years ago, Salazar was seeing a continual improvement in Rupp's times, and he stated that if they could get Rupp running 12:45's, then he would likely meet with success internationally in the 5000m.

Not sure if I believe this, but it seems plausible. I think we all agree that Rupp's primary focus is the 10000M and specifically winning medals at major championships at that distance. Therefore his training is a combination of long distance endurance with fast closing speed. Conceivably his long range training plan creates a situation where there is no given time he is able to run 12:55. Even though he is always able to run 13:00-13:10. Or if he is in 12:55 shape or better he is not running a 5000M, or its a championship where its a slow, tactical race. Imo, Rupp should just dedicate a year to be the best 5000M he can be. Forget about the 10000M for a time.

As sleazy sal wrote: "You can't be world class or win Olympic medals without being a doper."

Terrible Troll wrote:

you are creepy wrote:

My assertion stands whether he's a troll or not. He's either earnestly obsessed with Galen Rupp, or he's obsessed with trolling about Galen Rupp. Whatever the situation, he has a weird Galen Rupp obsession. Additionally, he's a terrible writer, and that is also true irrespective of his sincerity.

^These are my abosulte favorite posts where someone criticizes the writing of another and in his criticism attempts to make himself sound as intelligent as possible in an attempt to highllight how great of a writer he is and therefore how much better and more intelligent he must be.

Thanks for the laugh!

You're a bad writer, too.

And you're still as mentally challenged now as when you first said it.

There are not many 10000m races to run. Unless he switches to 10K road races (like Sambu is doing right now), this is the best he can do. Racing all those 5000m in DL will help him when it comes to the 10000m championship race. (Probably more so than 10K road races.)

I think he intended to run 3 10000s this year but Brussels was cancelled. The 5000s were good races and would have helped him be ready for Brussels. Maybe he will change plans now.

Running Formula reader wrote:

There are not many 10000m races to run. Unless he switches to 10K road races (like Sambu is doing right now), this is the best he can do. Racing all those 5000m in DL will help him when it comes to the 10000m championship race. (Probably more so than 10K road races.)

800 Coach wrote:

Of course it was a great season. And it still stands that Rupp is the only athlete in the world to be able to challenge and "get in the race" with the top African born distance runners.

Ben True is getting close but needs to adopt some of those "gimmicks" he talks about in order to stay with the top runners during the last 2 laps.

And it turns out cheating is rampant among the top African born runners. SO just how are Ben True and Rupp competing and even beating the dopers? Oh, duh, probably the same way Lance did it, applying technology.

ruger wrote:

As sleazy sal wrote: "You can't be world class or win Olympic medals without being a doper."

Dvmbass, he said that before bio passport. Now thanks to bio passport, you can compete for medals, and you can even run just as fast as the dopers did without dope. Hell, bio passport has made 3:28 and 5000/10,000 double gold in a span of a month possible.

rupp and moe and levins had a crazy years.

rupp was pretty consistent actually and really was close to a super year. seems the edge was off in the 5000m races.

would it be a good idea for rupp to run 3000m and 5000m on a weekly basis next year to get into the groove?

levins got up to world class but the wheels came off at the end of the season, which means he needs a reasonable break after the season and then pick up where he left off.

farah's season should have ended in disaster period. but he was the moe of old at the end. amazing. guys like webb and solinsky were totally knocked out with similar abuse. this amazing recovery sets moe apart from the rest, into the upper stratosphere occupied by yifter, komen, gebreselasse, bekele. sorry viren but there is no evidence what so ever that you're any good without blood doping.

Answer wrote:

I think he intended to run 3 10000s this year but Brussels was cancelled. The 5000s were good races and would have helped him be ready for Brussels. Maybe he will change plans now.

Running Formula reader wrote:

There are not many 10000m races to run. Unless he switches to 10K road races (like Sambu is doing right now), this is the best he can do. Racing all those 5000m in DL will help him when it comes to the 10000m championship race. (Probably more so than 10K road races.)

I hope he changes plans and runs Philly Half, but I guess he won't.

longjack wrote:

...this amazing recovery sets moe apart from the rest, into the upper stratosphere occupied by yifter, komen, gebreselasse, bekele. sorry viren but there is no evidence what so ever that you're any good without blood doping.

Sorry longjack but there is no evidence what so ever that you have any comprehension of the word, 'whatsoever'.