Ah, yes, The Guardian, that paragon of accurate scientific reportage.
As has been observed on this board before, research "summaries" from tabloids, the IPCC, etc., are useless--go to the actual research.
Ah, yes, The Guardian, that paragon of accurate scientific reportage.
As has been observed on this board before, research "summaries" from tabloids, the IPCC, etc., are useless--go to the actual research.
No Way wrote:
Shawn H wrote:"Out of your element?" Let's review: No global warming for the past 17 years. Normal earth cyles of ice ages and "global warming" over millions of years. No proof that "carbon emissions" have any demonstrable effect on "climate change." Thousands of scientists who disagree with each other on both sides. And you consider yourself rational? Drink up, useful idiot.
No proof of the greenhouse effect? Okay...
Thousands of scientists? I'd like to see that list.
I just gave it to you a few posts above.
Sally V wrote:
No Way wrote:No proof of the greenhouse effect? Okay...
Thousands of scientists? I'd like to see that list.
Up to 95% of Greenhouse Effect caused by water vapor.
That is completely irrelevant.
Shawn H wrote:
No Way wrote:No proof of the greenhouse effect? Okay...
Thousands of scientists? I'd like to see that list.
I just gave it to you a few posts above.
Neat.
I should have specified, actual scientists. Not folks with degrees.
What you should have specified is scientists who receive government funding to keep the whole "climate change" hoax going.
Shawn H wrote:
17 years now with no "global warming." Coldest winter in decades predicted coming up. 15 years more is nothing. It's laughable to see stupid liberals talking about "man-caused global warming" or "climate change" as if they have any idea. The current "slowdown" could go on for a hundred years, and still there would be morons saying that we're all going to drown. Talk about stupid.
And yet, here's Shawn H, pretty sure he's got it all figgered out. Show your math, Shawn.
According to what I can find, 13 of the 14 warmest years on record have been in the 21st century, with the exception being in 1998. So, how exactly does this fit in with the "no global warming for 17 years" nonsense? The decade from 2001-2010 is the warmest on record - the current "slowdown" in warming is a myth.
alejandro wrote:
According to what I can find, 13 of the 14 warmest years on record have been in the 21st century, with the exception being in 1998. So, how exactly does this fit in with the "no global warming for 17 years" nonsense? The decade from 2001-2010 is the warmest on record - the current "slowdown" in warming is a myth.
At the risk of angering your global warming gods, you may want to do some research. It was the UN that coined the phrase Global Warming Hiatus to describe the lack of warming. To save some face, the official stance is to admit to the lack of warming then swear it'll never last.
http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/08/22/4072365.htmhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/us-climate-ipcc-idUSBRE98J0EB20130920http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/us-climate-ipcc-idUSBRE98J0EB20130920Interesting, my source is also from the UN, the World Meteorological Organization. That's where I got the 13/14 warmest years stat., in a report tabled on March 24th of this year. The report goes on to state, "last year(2013)continued a long term warming trend". Michel Jarraud, the WMO's secretary-general also said "there has been no pause in global warming as has been alleged by climate change sceptics, there is no standstill in global warming". 2001-2010 was the warmest decade on record and each of the last 3 decades has been warmer than the previous one. I have no allegiance to any global-warming gods, I am only trying to determine the truth, as much as possible. So far, the preponderance of evidence seems to support the position that the global climate is changing.
sc42 wrote:
Shawn H wrote:17 years now with no "global warming." Coldest winter in decades predicted coming up. 15 years more is nothing. It's laughable to see stupid liberals talking about "man-caused global warming" or "climate change" as if they have any idea. The current "slowdown" could go on for a hundred years, and still there would be morons saying that we're all going to drown. Talk about stupid.
And yet, here's Shawn H, pretty sure he's got it all figgered out. Show your math, Shawn.
Show me yours, and I'll show you mine. You've got nothing. It's all a hoax, and as the years go by you'll figure that out like so many of us have.
Here's a good display of what all the hype over so-called "man-made climate change" is about. Song and dance, baby. Song and dance.
Shawn H wrote:
sc42 wrote:And yet, here's Shawn H, pretty sure he's got it all figgered out. Show your math, Shawn.
Show me yours, and I'll show you mine. You've got nothing. It's all a hoax, and as the years go by you'll figure that out like so many of us have.
The fact that each decade has been warmer than the one previous for the last 6 decades would be some good evidence that the earth is warming.
I also don't think you understand how science funding works. How much money do you think the government gives to scientists? I assure you that it's far less than private companies.
alejandro wrote:
Interesting, my source is also from the UN, the World Meteorological Organization. That's where I got the 13/14 warmest years stat., in a report tabled on March 24th of this year. The report goes on to state, "last year(2013)continued a long term warming trend". Michel Jarraud, the WMO's secretary-general also said "there has been no pause in global warming as has been alleged by climate change sceptics, there is no standstill in global warming". 2001-2010 was the warmest decade on record and each of the last 3 decades has been warmer than the previous one. I have no allegiance to any global-warming gods, I am only trying to determine the truth, as much as possible. So far, the preponderance of evidence seems to support the position that the global climate is changing.
A reasonable conclusion to make. And it would still be accurate to further expand upon that statement and conclude that the earth's climate has been generally warming since the end of the last ice age some 20,000 years ago.
Weather is more than just out your window.
There's a reason greenhouses (made of glass) work. Guess what: SiO2 (glass) is very similar to CO2.
For those that love to bash "liberals," try looking at data and understanding the science.
Hold on, guys. Let me flip the old vinyl record over for you. Song and dance, baby. ong and dance. Like most liberal lies.
Sally V wrote:
No Way wrote:No proof of the greenhouse effect? Okay...
Thousands of scientists? I'd like to see that list.
Up to 95% of Greenhouse Effect caused by water vapor.
Which is irrelevant of course. But I'm going to assume that you knew that. Or do you have an IQ south of 85?
I'll never get the dissembling on this topic. It's science. The calculations for variable temperatures based off atmospheric carbon-dioxide were put together at the turn of the 20th century. The principles don't change or become unworkable because hippies or liberals love talking about them. It's like arguing with an angry girlfriend.
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