NRR: Tony Stewart ran over a guy on a racetrack

Nothing in that article, which I've already read, gives any indication that Tony cared any more about Kevin than anyone else on the track. It's just Kevin's friend saying that Kevin wanted to beat Tony. No sh!t. That's not a history, that's not a rivalry.

yhrebray wrote:

I get hotheaded when people change what I am arguing.

Issue 1: Did Stewart do everything reasonable to avoid endangering Ward?

I'll stop you right there. No one knows what is "reasonable" when we don't have a clue what Stewart saw or was thinking. Based on the video I don't know what more Stewart could have done.

fallallacious wrote:

I have driven on a dirt track. It is longer than 1/3 mile but that is irrelevant. I understand exactly what you are saying. You don't seem to understand what I am saying - that video is not incontrovertible proof that Tony Stewart intended to scare Ward by sliding the back of his car out. That is what you are claiming and it is categorically false.

You obviously hate Stewart and that clouds your opinion. It's obvious by this statement:

"Of course, smoke doesn't give an inch to anyone. It is who he is and what he does."

He'll probably settle the civil suit out of court. That also is not incontrovertible proof that he intended to scare Ward.

i don't hate anyone. but wait till the other videos start popping up. he's made a career out of intimidation and that is what was happening there.

fisky wrote:

I just visited a forum with a lot of dirt track drivers and fans. The feeling there was unanimous. It was Ward's fault.

They will also kill you if you badmouth the Pettys

I respect the way you went back through the record.Lets talk issue 2 first. Yes I said Tony made the quote, "business as usual" which after it was brought to my attention I changed to having been made by his representatives. I do think his representatives were speaking for him and the quote certainly reflected what Tony and his team felt. That was not a purposeful deception and the comment still reflects very poorly on Tony and his team. Now lets talk about issue 1 and 3, which are related. We accept the difference of our opinions whether a reasonable person would have taken more evasive steps. I think yes you think no. You used the driver in front as an example. But the driver in front who had less time to react took a line that missed Ward, Tony took a line that hit him - I see this as a big difference in choice of line and choice of risk.Things seem to have gotten heated for you on issue three. First I did say that although I thought he might have tried to scare Ward, that that was irrelevant, and that the key was that he didn't take resonable steps to minimize risk. This is a point I repeated numerous times. I did say that anyone watching could see that Tony didn't really care to minimize risk to Ward. You took major exception to that comment. I do stand by the meaning of that statement but I could have added "to significantly minimize risk". I never implied that he should be in trouble for not doing everthing possible but that he should be in trouble for not doing everything reasonable to minimize risk.Cherry picking comments I am certainly guilty of as are you and most who post here.I really didn't know much about Tony, but the more I learned, the less benefit of the doubt that I gave him. Its odd two people look at the same video see see such different realities.I will admit, what I learned biased my perception (but that doesn't make it wrong).

Ontario County District Attorney Michael Tantillo said the victim, Kevin Ward Jr., was under the influence of marijuana the night of the accident "enough to impair judgment." Tantillo said two videos examined by investigators showed "no aberrational driving by Tony Stewart."

The kid was impaired. Don't drink and drive or smoke weed and drive- same thing.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/11582576/tony-stewart-face-charges-death-kevin-ward-jr

The video also purportedly shows the dead kid jumping up, grabbing the tail fin of Stewart's car, and forcing the car to change direction. How amazing that a less than 200 lb guy can pull off such an amazing feat. That was some powerful weed he had in his system.