cooptastic wrote:
stevenson wrote:That would actually be a grammar issue. Not English. But who's counting?
Please explain to me how using the word "needs" instead of "need" is solely a grammatical mistake and is not indicative of not know the language well.
Well, that was embarrassing wasn't it?
M.C. Confusing wrote:
stevenson wrote:That would actually be a grammar issue. Not English. But who's counting?
Grammar is a part of any language, English included. "English" isn't spelling and vocabulary.
That was a cute play on words. What subject do you teach in school?
The teacher's in Arizona must be spontaneously combusting...most of the school districts in the Phoenix metropolitan area have moved to full year schedule with several multi-week breaks throughout the year. The teacher's still get their awesome pay but now don't get to waste the first month of school with remedial teaching = more prep work...oh well.
Do teachers realize that they'd catch less heat if they stopped pretending that teaching is some monumentally difficult task that can only be completed by people of saintly intent and superhuman endurance? I get it. Your job takes more than 40 hours/week to do. Guess what, I'm about to start residency, where I will work 80 hours per week and study for an hour or two every night to earn a salary in the mid 40 thousands. I'm not going around telling the world how hard I have it. I'm just doing the job I signed up to do.
I get it. Teaching is a full time job like any other. Boo frickin' hoo that you have to actually work like a grown up. We all do. Get over it.
I don't fully understand the point of the article. Is it that teaching is harder than other jobs and they need to recharge more so than other careers? Most understand there is a balance between pay and benefits for any job. Teaching has a unique balance that other jobs don't. In addition not all jobs have equal work flows throughout the year with periods where employees can "recharge". If the point is that teachers work harder and need this time off relative to other jobs, I'd say that is true relative to some and not true relative to many others.
Where my wife works, their contracts run from mid/late August to mid-June. They are basically paid for 10 months but it is spread out over 12 months. When employees take maternity leave, any unpaid time is calculated as a percentage of their contract days not a full year.
Teaching is a hard job. Most under-appreciate how hard good teachers work and under-estimate the hours they work. I've gained new respect for teachers after being married to one. That being said, the crowd that seems to say "teaching is so hard that I deserve to be paid comparable to other professionals that work 12 months a year but still get my time off" annoys me. It is a balance between pay and benefits.
stevenson wrote:
cooptastic wrote:Please explain to me how using the word "needs" instead of "need" is solely a grammatical mistake and is not indicative of not know the language well.
Well, that was embarrassing wasn't it?
Not one bit. I used the word "solely" to indicate that I agreed with you, but that it was part of the broader "English" as well.
Granted, I had a mistake of my own when I left "ing" off of the word "knowing". For that I am embarrassed.
Summer break, Thanksgiving, winter break, spring break, federal holidays etc = 2 months + of time off.
Teachers catch flack b/c for most of us, the majority of our teachers were horrible, lazy, and added very little value to the educational experience aside from ~ reciting things from a textbook.
Hard work/long hours? Maybe the first time teaching a course. From my experience, the second time teaching a course is ~1/4 the class prep... And that's for college courses where the material is a little more 'cutting edge' and liable to change. There's not much prep needed to teach geometry, read The Giving Tree, etc... especially since schoolboards et al have standardized the required material so much.
Teachers ar very well compensated for their work. Pretty good benefits/retirement options, good pay for a job straight out of college with an easy degree...
Teacher's are so defensive b/c thy need to protect their distorted levels of compensation... If the job market was allowed to reach market equilibrium (i.e. if teachers could be more easily hired and fired, & replaced by well qualified recent grads) they'd be compensated way less.
Try teaching. Then we will talk.
NeedingStructure wrote:
North America is the only area in the world that DOES NOT respect education or teachers. They are treated like dirt. Go to China and see who respected educators are. Many colleagues have gone there to teach after retirement and were blown away by the respect afforded them. On the same level as physicians.
Respect is earned. The US education system, with per capita spending that far outstrips all other developed nations, is all about what's best for teachers, not what's best for students. Teachers aren't REFLEXIVELY given respect in the United States because most Americans have had too much first hand experience with teachers to think that it's a profession that's categorically deserving of respect. Of course there are excellent and dedicated teachers in the US, and they earn respect through the work that they do, but nobody gives it to them by default just because they have a particular title.
Also, since when are physicians particularly respected?
For what it's worth, I was a teacher for three years. I'd say that as a profession, teaching is tough enough that I'd definitely call it a "real job," but I don't know many educated professionals in the private sector who don't work just as hard. Certainly I work much harder as a litigation associate than I ever did as a teacher, and I don't get much of any time to recharge. I think part of what makes it difficult is that many teachers are actually quite introverted, and spending most of the day working with large groups of energetic young people can really wear down people with that kind of a personality.
Another issue is expectations. When you know that you have a three month break coming up, you condition yourself to need it. You tell yourself when you're working late in April that it'll be over soon. Students are the same way. But human psychology is tremendously adaptable. For most people, if they know there's no break coming, they will find that they don't actually need a break.
I am well paid to teach. However it is not an easy job. I'm sure many of the parents on this board understand how difficult raising children is and that there are times when they wish their own children would leave them alone for a while. Teaching 35 kids 5 or 6 periods a day is exhausting especially when students are not interested or worse unruly. Teaching is not harder than many jobs but we do need time to recharge.
Just curious why the previous poster gave up the sweet life of a teacher for the tough life of a litigation associate.
I work too wrote:
Do teachers realize that they'd catch less heat if they stopped pretending that teaching is some monumentally difficult task that can only be completed by people of saintly intent and superhuman endurance? I get it. Your job takes more than 40 hours/week to do. Guess what, I'm about to start residency, where I will work 80 hours per week and study for an hour or two every night to earn a salary in the mid 40 thousands. I'm not going around telling the world how hard I have it. I'm just doing the job I signed up to do.
I get it. Teaching is a full time job like any other. Boo frickin' hoo that you have to actually work like a grown up. We all do. Get over it.
The thread was started as a tool to bash teachers. Now you're complaining that some teachers chose to come on here and defend themselves and their profession? Really?
Did you even read the article and who it was by? This thread was not started to bash anyone. It only goes to show how unfair some jobs are and how entitled some people are.
I need time to recharge to. I only get 3 weeks per year. If I took 10 consecutive weeks off every summer, unpaid even, I would be let go.
I regularly work long hours and unpaid overtime too.
Another thread about teachers and the fact they get summers off. If we're lucky THIS one will solve it once and for all. Good Lord people, move on.
working all summer wrote:
Did you even read the article and who it was by? This thread was not started to bash anyone. It only goes to show how unfair some jobs are and how entitled some people are.
I need time to recharge to. I only get 3 weeks per year. If I took 10 consecutive weeks off every summer, unpaid even, I would be let go.
I regularly work long hours and unpaid overtime too.
Did you read the thread title? You know, the one you erased from your post? You are an epic retard, if you think this thread was not started to bash teachers. Now get on your short bus.
You need to read the article, Dave...
coach wrote:
Teaching is not harder than many jobs but we do need time to recharge.
Need? Many of my colleagues worked full time all summer.
coach wrote:
Just curious why the previous poster gave up the sweet life of a teacher for the tough life of a litigation associate.
It was a tough choice. As far as the work goes, there are tradeoffs. I loved a lot of things about teaching, and I love a lot of things about my job now. But my comp now is 4.75 times what I made teaching, and that's a pretty weighty tiebreaker.
Do we need a vacation from your little $hithead? Yes. Teachers are emotionally and mentally fried at the end of the school year. I appreciate the summer months and use the time to ramp up the xc team's mileage without the stress of school. I also use it as a sabatical of sorts often taking up a job in industry. So essentially I do your job, and then go back to mine (because your job quite frankly is boring).
Plus I need the summer to get base training in before xc season.
What's the problem exactly? Especially as a runner. I mean are you still bitter because you never got laid over summer vacation when you had the house to yourself?
stevenson wrote:
Read this load of BS this morning:
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/07/teachers_need_summers_off_to_r.html#incart_river
Become an orthopedic surgeon, 4 thousand bucks an hour was never so easy.
People complaining about teachers just don't want to work.
I work too wrote:
Do teachers realize that they'd catch less heat if they stopped pretending that teaching is some monumentally difficult task that can only be completed by people of saintly intent and superhuman endurance? I get it. Your job takes more than 40 hours/week to do. Guess what, I'm about to start residency, where I will work 80 hours per week and study for an hour or two every night to earn a salary in the mid 40 thousands. I'm not going around telling the world how hard I have it. I'm just doing the job I signed up to do.
I get it. Teaching is a full time job like any other. Boo frickin' hoo that you have to actually work like a grown up. We all do. Get over it.
you all are the ones who keep bringing it up, not the teachers
Wall Street?! Doesn't the market open at 9 and close at 2?? I have buddies who work the CBT and are drunk at 3 every day. AND making six figures...good try.