Record low temperatures in Kansas City

Kansas City is the centre of the world....everything that happens there is important on a worldwide scale.Hint for other posters: "Global Warming" is not the accepted nomenclature, "Climate Change," please.

Pass the blanket wrote:

I wonder if all those scientists in the 70's were right, and we really are on the brink of the next ice age.

Any idiot with access to the internet knows the air temperature in Kansas City fluctuates based on bbq cooking and consumption rates, peak days related to an especially high volume of spicy sauce usage.

Solar cyle weakest in more than a century.

Pass the blanket wrote:

Didn't mean to create such a fuss. But I did want to respond to those quoting the rise in temperature readings over the past 100 years. Those temperatures have gone up as the cities along with their asphalt and concrete infrastructure have expanded and encroached on the points where readings are taken. This causes temperatures to appear to be higher than had they been taken at points as far from development as they were when taken a hundred years ago.

Well, this explanation does seem to clear up why the glaciers and icecaps are observed to be melting at alarming rates. The inaccurate temperature readings in cities create a placebo affect that targets ice masses around the globe. Problem solved.

This is actually great news. Before reading this thread I forgot Kansas City even existed.

mopsy wrote:

Pass the blanket wrote:

Didn't mean to create such a fuss. But I did want to respond to those quoting the rise in temperature readings over the past 100 years. Those temperatures have gone up as the cities along with their asphalt and concrete infrastructure have expanded and encroached on the points where readings are taken. This causes temperatures to appear to be higher than had they been taken at points as far from development as they were when taken a hundred years ago.

Well, this explanation does seem to clear up why the glaciers and icecaps are observed to be melting at alarming rates. The inaccurate temperature readings in cities create a placebo affect that targets ice masses around the globe. Problem solved.

The glacier issue requires a little more digging. Industrial soot is so widely scattered that dark particles now make up a large percentage of the surface snow and ice in the Arctic and on major glaciers. The dark particles absorb the sun's heat, reduce the reflectivity and melt the surrounding ice.

I fear though that the pending ice age though may be so intense that it will overcome the soot and the glaciers will grow again.

Wang wrote:

On the east coast, we have had a cool summer, a frigid winter

Maybe she's not frigid, K? Maybe she's like just not attracted to you, "Wang".

Yeah...Or maybe it's the increased temperature.

Pass the blanket wrote:

mopsy wrote:

Well, this explanation does seem to clear up why the glaciers and icecaps are observed to be melting at alarming rates. The inaccurate temperature readings in cities create a placebo affect that targets ice masses around the globe. Problem solved.

The glacier issue requires a little more digging. Industrial soot is so widely scattered that dark particles now make up a large percentage of the surface snow and ice in the Arctic and on major glaciers. The dark particles absorb the sun's heat, reduce the reflectivity and melt the surrounding ice.

I fear though that the pending ice age though may be so intense that it will overcome the soot and the glaciers will grow again.

I realize you probably consider this a blasphemous slight to the gods, but it does make a good read...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140610-connecting-dots-dust-soot-snow-ice-climate-change-dimick/

Now can we get back on topic? What should we do to prepare for the coming ice age?

Pass the blanket wrote:

I realize you probably consider this a blasphemous slight to the gods, but it does make a good read...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140610-connecting-dots-dust-soot-snow-ice-climate-change-dimick/

Now can we get back on topic? What should we do to prepare for the coming ice age?

I realize that no amount of evidence in going to convince you otherwise, but the Earth is still warming.

ssddsds wrote:

If it's "global" warming, that means everywhere. Obviously, it's not warming everywhere. It's a complete farce, considering it's winter now in the southern hemisphere.

Okay, I LOLed.

No Way wrote:

Pass the blanket wrote:

I realize you probably consider this a blasphemous slight to the gods, but it does make a good read...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140610-connecting-dots-dust-soot-snow-ice-climate-change-dimick/

Now can we get back on topic? What should we do to prepare for the coming ice age?

I realize that no amount of evidence in going to convince you otherwise, but the Earth is still warming.

I realize no amount of evidence is going to convince you that the earth has gone through many warming and cooling periods. Even without man angering the gods. I fear though that the last warming period has ended and we are now plummeting into the next ice age as the last generation of scientists predicted. I can't remember such a cool summer. It's going to be an early winter, too.

Pass the blanket wrote:

I wonder if all those scientists in the 70's were right, and we really are on the brink of the next ice age.

In the off chance that anyone on the thread actually cares about understanding the US upper midwest's unusual cold snap:

Besides the fact that the last 3 months are the warmest on record, what makes you think the Earth is cooling?

Pass the blanket wrote:

No Way wrote:

I realize that no amount of evidence in going to convince you otherwise, but the Earth is still warming.

I realize no amount of evidence is going to convince you that the earth has gone through many warming and cooling periods. Even without man angering the gods. I fear though that the last warming period has ended and we are now plummeting into the next ice age as the last generation of scientists predicted. I can't remember such a cool summer. It's going to be an early winter, too.

No Way wrote:

Besides the fact that the last 3 months are the warmest on record, what makes you think the Earth is cooling?

I realize no amount of evidence is going to convince you that the earth has gone through many warming and cooling periods. Even without man angering the gods. I fear though that the last warming period has ended and we are now plummeting into the next ice age as the last generation of scientists predicted. I can't remember such a cool summer. It's going to be an early winter, too.

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Again, you pull out the "on record" card. You are looking at - what - 125 or 200 years out of 4.6 BILLION??? So you are looking at 0.00000272% of the Earth's history? That is laughable. Besides, the Earth's Temps have remained steady since 1996 and now many scientists suspect we are not entering a new cooling period.

No it hasn't, and no they don't.

Sally Vixxxxens wrote:

No Way wrote:

Besides the fact that the last 3 months are the warmest on record, what makes you think the Earth is cooling?

I realize no amount of evidence is going to convince you that the earth has gone through many warming and cooling periods. Even without man angering the gods. I fear though that the last warming period has ended and we are now plummeting into the next ice age as the last generation of scientists predicted. I can't remember such a cool summer. It's going to be an early winter, too.

Again, you pull out the "on record" card. You are looking at - what - 125 or 200 years out of 4.6 BILLION??? So you are looking at 0.00000272% of the Earth's history? That is laughable. Besides, the Earth's Temps have remained steady since 1996 and now many scientists suspect we are not entering a new cooling period.[/quote]

Hey Sally:

Let's take your position and assume that the Earth is not warming (/climate change is either not happening or not human-driven).

Do you think that unbridled resource depletion should be allowed to continue?

The thing that gets me is that climate skepticism is often a Trojan Horse of sorts for Free Market positivism - the idea that nothing - NOTHING - should stand in the path of further industrialization, urbanization, and the forward march of the free market.

Sally, would you admit that the degradation of the natural habitat (and loss of species, rain forest, wilderness, etc. etc. etc.) poses a concern independent of the greenhouse gas implications? Should we ever temper economic imperatives with concern for the natural world?

It's hard to take the climate skeptic position seriously when it seems that underlying it all is an evangelical militaristic support of wealth creation at all costs.

Actually I would agree with much of what you say.

99 percent say the climate is changing. I fall within that 99 percent. A far smaller fraction believe that CO2 is the solitary dominant driver, and an even smaller fraction believe that Multi Decadal Global Climate Models are worth more than a bucket of warm spit.I have a MS in Hydrology-and would consider myself "a climate expert. I have been performing high level Water Resource Modeling for 25 years.

TheHobbyHobbler wrote:

Here's what I don't get: Americans generally defer to experts. Our media embraces "expert opinion" and it shows up in all sorts of marketing copy.

Why is climate science any different?

Do you skeptic plonkers have any idea what percent of climate experts believe human-driven change is underfoot? A HUGE percent. Like 99%. Theirs is not a knee-jerk assessment. They don't go outside and say: "Well, gee, it seems like its been 18 months of cool weather, etc. etc. etc..."

Does it occur to the deniers that there may be more sophisticated considerations and analytic tools that factor into these scientific determinations than just gut checks and politically motivated common-sense judgments?

Oh, right, I forgot -- every climate scientist is at the behest of Obama, Bill Ayers, and the rest.