Greatest High School Performance

Is this the same Scott Hubbard that put out the History of XC in the State of Washington? If so, when was your latest edition, and how do I get a copy?

My vote for Chapa's 28:32 to be nominated for consideration. It is such a rarely contested event for high schoolers, to pop a time like that (equal to roughly 3:56 mile, 8:30 2-mile and 13:37 5,000) is extraordinary, in my opinion.

Gotta put Webb's 3:53 on the list.

But the most extraordinary performance by a high schooler HAS to be Ryun's defeat of Snell, the reigning Olympic gold medalist and world record holder, setting an American record in the process. To put it in perspective, in order to duplicate that, Webb would have had to have beaten El G in that race and run 3:47.68 or faster.

noitall wrote:

Is this the same Scott Hubbard that put out the History of XC in the State of Washington? If so, when was your latest edition, and how do I get a copy?

You mean there are two of me? Some would say one is enough. To answer your query, no. I do have some WA connections though. Ran the NCAA cross meet in Spokane in '73...ran a half-marathon w/Pat Tyson in '78 before he became a high school supercoach...lived 2 months in Seattle in '77 and met a young Bill Roe at Green Lake where he was putting on a 15 km. Was last there to watch wife (at time) run Oly Trials Marathon in Olympia. Beautiful state w/rich cross tradition...Doris Heritage! (I get NW Runner, maybe you could contact Martin Rudow for help)

In my state, former T & FN man, Jeff Hollobaugh has compiled an excellent Michigan cross history. He's done the same for track. Due to family and job he doesn't have the same time/energy to devote to those projects.

And furthermore...I see on the bottom of some of these threads that you can buy some cool running stuff on ebay. I own the SI w/Pre on the cover as a freshman. Am I offered $1000 for it? Nothing less will be considered.

Pre did a little running in high school.

Nobody gonna buy your worthless SI magazine. The real world no care about Prefontaine.

Take advice from Ah and get rid of worthless magazine and get something that people will really care about and talk about.

not the greatest, but notable...darrell robinson's 44.69 400m in 1982.

Don Sage ran an 8:42 and a 4:07 at the state meet in 2000. That is an awesome double. In both races he had great kicks. He closed in 59 for the 3200 and 56 for the 1600. The 842 was the FAT 3200 nat. record at the time. It clinched the York HS's 1st State Track Title. Also, it was coach Newtons last year as a head track coach. Sage also ran 4:15 in prelims the night before.

Can anyone think of a better HS double???????

Solinsky maybe could do a bit better than what Sage did. We shall see. That 8:42 is really impressive.

I agree with Zat0pek. 81 feet is simply mind boggling.

As for my personal favorite high school performance though, it had to be Sage at the 2000 track meet. He ran 4:15 and split sub 50 the day before he ran the 3200 and 1600, and was uncertain as to whether or not he was going to run the 4x4 at the end of the 2nd day. He shut down the last 100m of the 3200 and still ran his last lap in :57!! He made Tim Keller look like he was crawling when he was running 8:56 He came back to win the 1600 with a :56 last lap. It's not 81 feet or gold medal, but I loved watching Sage, and I believe 100% that it was the greatest distance double ever done in a single day by a high schooler.

Didn't Webb tripple up with a :47, 4:06, and 1:50? I believe that his last half in the mile was 1:50 or so as well. Didn't Webb also pull out a nasty double at outdoor HS nationals for the DMR national record and the 4by8 that almost broke the national record? I am not much of a Webb fan but I would say that his double and triple performances are as good as, if not better than that of Sage.

I am going to give the nod to Chappa and his 10k. What was the world record when he ran that time? Most highschoolers would get a full scholarship from Colorado or Stanford for just being able to rabbit that race through 5k. A runner can still be competitive in the IC4A's with a 14:15 5k (I believe Sutton won the race in 14:00 last year).

Kevin Hadsell wrote:However, there is really no comparison when you throw in McTear's 100yd dash, Carter's shot put, Mathias's Olympic Gold in the Deca. and even Decker's 800m as an 8th grader.

I always forget Mathias' gold for some weird reason. Gotta agree with you on that. Yep. I think that's the one, followed by Ryun's win over Snell then Chapa's 10,000.

I know Carter's shot is unreal, but I have a hard time putting it into perspective given the difference between the high school and International implements. And same with McTear; 100y just isn't as meaningful to me as a 100m because there just isn't much to compare it against.

I still like Ryun as the greatest performance but, check these Ritz year 2000 stats from the Dayton Roosevelt Memorial Relays: 3200-8:41.1, 4:31 on 4x1, 3:00.9 on DMR, 1:56.6 on 2mr...all on one day.

Runordie, Yes the Sage double was impressive. There are many other doubles that have been mentioned on this board that compare. A Maryland guy had a tremendous day at his state meet. Maybe someone from there can give the times. An Ohio runner, Ziska?, ran 8:46, 4:10, 1:51 in an average invitational meet. The same guy told me this guy ran 4:10/9:00 yards races on a ten lap indoor track in flats and 2nd places were around 4:40/10:00. I have also heard of some unbelievable sprint quads. All are awesome, so let's not try to rank them and appreciate all of them.

better HS double?

rich kimball 8:46 and 4:06 for mile and 2-mile...56 second last lap in the mile...in 1973!

Sage's 8:42 3200m is still intrinsically inferior than Virgin's 8:42 2-mile (3209+ meters) at the 1973 IL HS meet.

Let me weigh in on this one (pun intended). Michael Carter's put of 81' is indeed incredible. However, three weeks later on July 4, 1979 at a meet in Boston- Michael Carter recorded a throw of 67'9" with a 16lb. Shot. Incidentally, I believe this distance eclipsed his fresman performance at SMU. That being the case, it is safe to assume that Michael's conversion was somewhere in the neighborhood of minus 13'- which would make his 81'3" throw about 68' 3" with an international implement. There is no doubt that this is an incredible toss for a highschool athlete, but 70' was truly world class in the late 70's-early 80's. Therefore, you have to give the nod to Mathias because at the time he was unquestionably the best in the world in the Deca.

Joe Falcon's triple from the Missouri State meet 1984:

4:08-1:53-8:53.

That Ritz Dayton Meet was incredible. He must have looked like he was jogging in the 4 x 1600!

Kids sure don't double like they used to though, (maybe that's good). In my state the 3200 guys hardly ever go for the 1600 any more. Maybe smart, or no balls?

Also another great HS performance-Chris Nelloms 13.30 in the 110 high hurdles.39". Not even his primary event. Does this compare with Nehemiah's hand timed 12.9 for yards?

actually two miles is 3218.6 meters