So, has the person that supposedly cheated/not cheated admitted/not admitted that they cheated/not cheated so this thread can end?
So, has the person that supposedly cheated/not cheated admitted/not admitted that they cheated/not cheated so this thread can end?
No, we keep alternating between Options 1 and 3. Option 2 was tried but to no affect.But the evidence is virtually insurmountable (we've had a race DQ) for Option 4 to be on the cards.
Options wrote:
When you're caught and cornered you have four options:
1. Try and bluff your way out of it with diversionary tactics.
2. Threaten legal action.
3. Ignore it and hope it goes away.
4. Admit it.
reader wrote:
Could that tiny dog really run a marathon? I'm honestly curious, I don't know anything about what kinds of dogs are good at running. Maybe he pushed it in a stroller part of the way or something.
That dog "runs" ultras, too. I always assumed he picks it up and carries it whenever he's walking (which is probably A LOT).
Hmmmmm. No. Did not happen.
I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 2 (50 Mile) 3/30/2013 9:55:00
A six to seven hr marathoner does not run a sub 10 hr 50 miler. Two 5 hr marys back to back?!? I know that to be a fact. So does every legit ultra runner on this thread! She is clueless on how to even cheat with her times.
Dumbest cheater ever . Go to cheating school!
OMG. This is actually humorous.
PM, you are an absolute fool!
Quad weekend:
I Ran Marathons Good Friday 3/29/2013 6:45:00
I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 2 (50 Mile) 3/30/2013 9:55:00
I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 3 3/31/2013 4:45:00
I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 4 4/1/2013 4:31:00
great research Hundo! However, this thread, which has provided me hours of lurking entertainment at work for days now, just made me start chuckling out loud in a formal presentation!This is so far beyond illegal it's funny, but just embarrassing. Obviously no one has ever vetted any of these results. Except Steve who keeps telling us to look at her hundreds of races. Well Steve, maybe you should stop encoring LRC, b/c every time some one takes the time to look, something like this appears. It's horrifying and also pretty hilarious. Whoever it was back earlier in this thread that wanted to use an I RAN race for an olympic trials qualifier should go for it. There is obviously no quality control whatsoever.
Hundo wrote:
crap coming out of your mouth wrote:Why is she posting 6-7 hour marathon times a few months later? PM is a walker.
Any time you want to demonstrate PM "moving" faster than a snails pace, please let us know so we can officially keep any eye on her. 4:30 marathoner? I don't think so. Perhaps we can dig into Houston and find massive cheating there too. Why would we not find more cheating there?People's marathon times don't vary by hours in a matter of months.
Oh, by the way, an ultra-runners 100 mile pace v. a marathon pace typically varies by well over 3 min per mile. Steve, you have zero idea what they heck you are talking about. So, how about you figure out what the hell YOU are talking about before opening you couch-bound mouth.
Here is some math based on some recent data from one of her own crew members (Daniel Santos-Costa) who actually does look like he is a runner, both marathons and ultras.
From Athlinks.
3:30 marathon/8:00 min miles (numerous 3:30 marathons the past few years)
25 hour 100-mile (recent PM race)/15:00 min miles
24 hour 100-mile (Keys 100)/14:24 min miles
These times and paces are typical for what the is known and acceptable.
Difference is 6-7 min per mile. This is based on real data. Yes, a real runner, that runs both competitive marathons and 100 mile ultras. Not some made up name, but some guy that appears to be in her inner circles. His numbers fit with what most of us know about the pace differential.
So, don't give me this crap about PM being in the acceptable range of 3 min per mile between her marathon and 100 mile paces. That is complete crap coming out of your mouth.
Not only that, but leading up to her unbelievable weekend of:
5/3/13AM marathon 5:00:00 (great perfect even time)
5/3/13PM marathon 5:45:00 (great perfect even time)
5/4/13 100 MILER 23:00 (great perfect even time)
5/5/13 marathon 7:00:00 (great perfect even time)
she was running marathons/ultras (two a day some weekends***) for weeks/months either side of this magnificent weekend (see athlinks link below).
So this would make Steve's assertion regarding acceptable differentials between marathon and hundo even more unbelievable considering lack of taper/recovery before and after, in fact totally unbelievable.
*** I particularly liked these leading up to the Hundo:
Same day:
I Ran Marathons Double Devil 6666 Harker 4/20/2013 5:15:00
I Ran Marathons TGIF April Double 4/20/2013 5:15:00
And the Quad weekend (note the 50miler), she got quicker as it went on, amazing:
I Ran Marathons Good Friday 3/29/2013 6:45:00
I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 2 (50 Mile) 3/30/2013 9:55:00
I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 3 3/31/2013 4:45:00
I Ran Marathons Anniversary Quad Day 4 4/1/2013 4:31:00
https://www.athlinks.com/athletes/44447537/Profile
*illogical, not illegal. Though it should be that too.
My hope is that someone is investigating all this and does a write-up similar to Kip. That would be a great read and has much greater appeal - Guinness world record "holder" and all.
This thread is beyond the unfleecing of a cheater. She us clearly a serial cheater It is now so ridiculously humorous it is out of hand. She is clearly busted.
One post after another tops the previous one. It is almost to the point where if a post is not as bad as the 4 hour Rocky 100 split it somehow does not have validity. People should continue to dig into her races and times and report. :-). The quad took the cake today!!
This is really funny shit. She has zero credibility now. It is all fraud. I agree, a story needs to be written like the New Yorker. PM sit down. Relax. Have a beer, or a dozen.
thank you for the laugh wrote:
great research Hundo!
Thanks, didn't really do much in the way of research, after I saw the post from 'crap coming out of your mouth' I was curious to see what she'd done either side of the phenomenal 23 hour hundo weekend and the dual and quad weekends just stuck out like dogs balls.
It just gets more and more bizarre, but I'm guessing there's more phenomenal performances there for others to find.
Hi Eddie! I'm a MM too - from the early # days when it wasn't the joke it was now, but still not willing to out myself to the LRC trolls.
That said, have you run any of PMs races? I'm sure there are problems with LMs races, and would love to have an equally long thread on him if warranted. But for this thread, PM is just - jump the shark - fail - insane!!!
Have you read all this???? Start with page 1 and cringe.
I believe she does have innocent/legit runners paying to run her stuff.. but I also think she makes up results and cheats like crazy. Having suffered through both fast and slow marathons myself, I am furious at this.
Have you seen any of her results or evidence of cheating? Totally respect you for having the balls to use your real name on these threads. I do not.
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Geeez, I'm getting tired of this. My last contribution since this has gone on beyond ridiculous. Why the Badwater RD hasn't done shit is unbelievable. How many witnesses do you need??? Here you go, how about Google this!!!
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this thread is the top of page 2 Result #11 on Google. Come on LRC. We can get it to page 1!!! Come on Chris Kostman. DQ! Parveneh Moyaedi. You have public testimony from both runners and crew who have no skin in the game other than their own blisters from ruining their own races.Runners don't like cheaters.Espeically runners who page $$$ to run Badwater 135.Preserve the integrity of your race Chris Kotsman.DQ PM!
Google This!!! wrote:
Geeez, I'm getting tired of this. My last contribution since this has gone on beyond ridiculous. Why the Badwater RD hasn't done shit is unbelievable. How many witnesses do you need??? Here you go, how about Google this!!!
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Eddie,
That 9/20/2013 TGIF marathon was lots of 2.6 mile loops, right?
Respect to you and other marathon-maniacs.
Have trouble with out and back 10,000m. Could not do a multiple loop marathon.
I am not using an alias. Thanks. I have not ran any of Parvaneh's Iran Marathon Series in Texas. I befriended her on Facebook because she seemed to be an apparently prolific runner and record holder. And, a graduate of Oregon State University, like three of my four younger brothers. I was at the finish line of the Badwater Ultra Marathon this year. I ran a small section down and up between Lone Pine and Whitney Portal. I was there to (encourage) Ed Ettinghausen (who reminded me to not run too near as I was not an official pacer). I was curious about Parvaneh's participation as she was then a FB friend. I am not an ultra runner, but I am thoroughly convinced an impropriety occurred because I just don't see understand what badwater runners who make the accusation cannot benefit if it is false. I dont buy into some of the weird conspiracy theories. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
How cute.
A few days of AM/PM races.
Or from the initial post starting this thread--2 marathons in two state in one day. And poor little Larry Macon being placed in the results without his knowledge at all!!
Haven't read this whole 70+ pages, but have been aware of this nonsense since at least Aug of last year, when I saw this:
Fri, 8/16/13
-Run with Jim Marathon(Charlie Alewine Racing) in CA
Parvaneh & Larry in results
-Iran Marathon in TX
PM & LM in results
8/17/13
-Run for your life (Charlie Alewine Race in CA)
PM & LM in results
-Dolphin Dash (in California by Rocket Racing)
PM & LM in Results
8/18/13
-ET (midnight race in NV)
LM in results
-Sunday in the Park (Charlie Alewine Race in CA)
LM & PM in results
3 states, 6 marathons, 3 days!!! Awesome! There are other examples. Keep digging.
Has anyone seen their list of races used to set the Guinness Record? Or used plane tickets? Still think there's no cheating on the part of anyone? Sure. How cute. Don't suffocate on that sand you have your head buried in ;)
I ran with Cassandra Johnson for the first 5 loops.
The other five on my own a little mind numbing.
Think about Maniac Ed Ettinghausen. Also a Badwater finisher of this year and others. Trying to break the World Record for the most Ultra's of 100 miles or more in one year. (Legitimately).
He just ran 6 Days in the dome in Alaska, over 400 one mile loops!
Guys like Ed can help keep our reputation as Maniacs clean.
I have submitted complaint to the Maniac gatekeeper regarding PM.
If it's not acted on I will reconsider my membership.
Early starts, slow times, and # of finishers is one thing. Cutting a course or not running at all, another....
Juvenile. Reminds me of two Jrs when i was a Freshman who "set a great example" by cutting in half our cross country training course...sneaking through the woods, slicing over a hill....
Good for you Eddie! Hopefully dominos will start falling.
BTW - I've run with Ed before and he seems to be a top notch guy all around.
Yes Ed is a top notch guy for sure! had the pleasure of spending many miles with him on the course in Silverton this past weekend, and this thread briefly came up during that time. It's obvious PM is a fraud. I'm not sure about LM. I know he's legitimately run a couple races we have run here in Oklahoma. Some people want to lump all Marathon Maniacs into one category...that is not fair at all, as the overwhelming majority of us are legit.
I’m a D2 female runner. Our coach explicitly told us not to visit LetsRun forums.
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