10-Year Old Sets Age Group WR With A 5:01 Mile ... What Happens To This Kid?

Or Lucas Bourgoyne…

10:35 3000 at 9 then ran 17:18 5000 at 11 and 15:36(!?!) as a 12yo. Believe he is 13 now.

Lucas Bourgoyne is now a National Champion in both cycling and triathlon since then. He is pursuing cycling nationally and internationally through USA Cycling.

What happened to Geb?

Hesmovedon wrote:

Lucas Bourgoyne is now a National Champion in both cycling and triathlon since then. He is pursuing cycling nationally and internationally through USA Cycling.

Wondered what had happened to him.

yesstiles wrote:

The Assuma twins of the late 1970's in Rialto, Ca were an exception. They were age-group phenoms as far back as elementary school, and ended up running sub-8:50 2 miles in high school, and sub-4 in the mile in college.

Swimming says... wrote:

A look at the historic US NAG Swimming records indicates that there is a correlation between setting national records at a young age and national and international success later on.

Is there a database for NAG record progression for T&F that one could make similar comparisons?

But swimming is way different. Distance runners peak about 8 years later than swimmers.

There are quite a few age-group phenoms who went on to be successful at the next levels. Speaking of siblings, the Torres', McDougal's and Rosa's were good at a young age, albeit, they weren't as fast as this kid. The progression is rarely a straight line, usually by their sophomore year of H.S., a few other kids catch up, but if you can run a 4:15 mile at age 16, you don't have to get much faster to become a H.S. star and an NCAA scholarship athlete. Obviously, there are a lot of age-group phenoms who fall by the wayside, People usually say it is burnout, but 90% of the time it one of 3 things: 1. The kid reaches the point of diminishing returns, if you are running a lot of miles at a very young age, there is only so much you can add as you get older. 2. Kids move on to other interest, kids being kids, they get bored and/or stressed out with running and move on to other things. 3. Perhaps they were never extremely talented. their success was mostly due to better training than most kids get and being ahead of the curve in terms of physical development.

Find out what happened to him wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIqVvRh_cEY

basketball and phenomenal runner at a young age. Finding out what happened to this kid will likeley answer your question

Here you go

He declared for the NBA draft.

sleeeper wrote:

Find out what happened to him wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIqVvRh_cEY

basketball and phenomenal runner at a young age. Finding out what happened to this kid will likeley answer your question

Here you go

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/high-school/whats-next-for-former-10-year-old-youtube-basketball-star-jashaun-agosto/

This kid didn't burn out, he did well in college and is now in the NBA draft

I would like to but in here as it seems like it is mostly a bunch of negative adults. I definitely wouldn't classify myself as a "phenom", but I'm 13 and run sub 5:00 for the mile and sub 10:50 for the two-mile, so take that as you will. Unless you just have a terrible coach, most the kids I know who "burned out" simply moved on to other things. Kids don't just "break" like a lot of people on this board seem to think they do. I know a kid that broke 10:00 for the 3200m in eighth grade and is now running D1. What people also seem to get confused about is the difference between a 9/10 year old and a 13/14 old. I know three years might not seem like a lot when you get older, but the latter can handle pretty much normal high school distance training. (I practice with my school's varsity team) 9/10 year olds actually can "break" from too much training.

He'll announce he's gay and Letsrun will praise him

Seth Hirsch also ran 33:50 for the 10k as a 13 year old, but adding on to my last sentence I know a kid who ran sub 20 for the 5k as an 8 or 9 year old but now can barely hold that pace for a mile because of a legitimate "burn out".

Ok the first problem with this post is that it is from the benevolent Let's Run. It really doesn't matter what a kid runs at 10 as anyone will ever tell you who works with young athletes.

How many of you out there have coached a 10 year old? From experience at this age the kids just want to have fun! I have had a 12 year old run 2:09 and 5 years later he just ran 3:54 for 1500m. The best thing is that he is still in the sport! And yes he first came to me at the age of 10! The US doesn't have this development as they are with school coaches and such.

It is obvious that being good early means absolutely nothing in the long term. Read a few of Ross Tucker's pieces on Long Term Athletic Development at SportScientist.com.

Training a 10 year old would be a max 2 sessions per week with a total volume 4-6k for each session built up over time for the two sessions. They would also be playing other sports.

As a coach/parent the key is for them having fun. Work on basics and make sure they are efficient in their movement. Having a great group dynamics helps and then keeping them with their same coach through their teenage years.

So keep it low key and whatever you do don't get overly excited by fast times early in an athletes development!

Hussein obummer wrote:

He'll announce he's gay and Letsrun will praise him

What's your obsession with gays? Hmm?

A look at the historic US NAG Swimming records indicates that there is a correlation between setting national records at a young age and national and international success later on.

Is there a database for NAG record progression for T&F that one could make similar comparisons?

Well in T&F as he grows older he will encounter African dopers at age 17-18 and he will quit since he just won't be able to beat them as clean athlete. Webb?

What you run under the age of 15 is irrelevant in fact it's been proven time and again children who exceed expectations at a young age have a higher probability of leaving the sport at an early age.

Reasons are usually burnout from over training and the choose another sport which is more enjoyable.

Hey Hussein wrote:

Hussein obummer wrote:

He'll announce he's gay and Letsrun will praise him

What's your obsession with gays? Hmm?

The same type of obsession that Ted Haggard has.

I guess a lot of pre-teen kids burn out but now that I've actually witnessed one of the amazing kids in our town fly, I really hope she becomes the next Jordan Hasay

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRyACyBDFQ_/

she often wins overall, not age-group, in many races

she genuinely loves running, I think she will continue to get even faster and maintain that speed even as her body changes as a teenager, perhaps shifting to even longer distances

Coach G wrote:

What you run under the age of 15 is irrelevant in fact it's been proven time and again children who exceed expectations at a young age have a higher probability of leaving the sport at an early age.

Reasons are usually burnout from over training and the choose another sport which is more enjoyable.

Please provide evidence that high achievers leave more often than others.

Please provide evidence that this is a problem even if it was true. People do lots of things throughout their lives. So what?

ww wrote:

I guess a lot of pre-teen kids burn out but now that I've actually witnessed one of the amazing kids in our town fly, I really hope she becomes the next Jordan Hasay

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRyACyBDFQ_/

she often wins overall, not age-group, in many races

she genuinely loves running, I think she will continue to get even faster and maintain that speed even as her body changes as a teenager, perhaps shifting to even longer distances

Very nice, but 32 seconds behind Grace Ping's 5000 record for age 12.