Ashton Eaton 49.07 400m HURDLES - 2nd place at FBKG!!!

agip wrote:

He is beyond amazing.

No he's not, he's a stupid dumbdumb face and I hate him. He can't even run a 4:05 mile. He sux0rs.

Someone is bored today. Eaton is a beast.

Over the hurdle wrote:

Juantorena would have been great at 400 hurdles he would have smashed it if he gave it the time, but he's an example of someone who is very talented going to other events.

Imagine him and Moses facing off in great shape. Who knows how fast the record would be from back then. It would probably still be standing.

Christian Taylor is also just an example. I hope he doesn't give the 400 hurdles a try and focuses on the LJ/TJ records.

And I don't even dislike Nike that much, I'm wearing Nike's right now, I just don't like certain groups acting like zealots and I think we all know who I'm talking about.

I'm no expert on the 400H, but watching Juantorena run them would have been hilarious [especially if he had been in the lane next to a guy more like Bershawn Jackson.]

One more hypothetical to throw out there - Lee Evans. Listed PRs at 200m / 400m / 600m are 20.4H, 43.86, 1:14.3H; listed PR for 400H is 49.9H, but that's from 1971 when I don't believe he was still in his best form.

Over the hurdle wrote:

You mean I'm being selective in that I picked other high profile athletes with OG/WC experience/medals but have one or two specialized events? They get criticized its ok, but how dare you lightly criticize an Oregon decathlete athlete's mediocre time...

The actual irritant is that a decathlete shows up to literally any event and sh*ts a time (and it wouldn't matter what it was) and suddenly its an amazing performance. I mean wow, its like no one else could do that either. He finished second too btw and is only ranked 9th in the world.

Decathletes are so much more amazing than us regular one event athletes. I mean they do 10 events! Thats alot!

1) What does Oregon have to do with anything I said?

2) It's not his main event

3) It's more impressive than many of his multi events

4) he runs no top world class times in any event, why would I be harsh on him for this one?

5) What is your obsession with bashing a decathlete?

6) it's early June. He'll get faster, his prs suggest he will.

7) It's all about progress, people care about him because he's the best decathlete in the world. Every PR he sets is newsworthy.

8) I'm not excited by this time, just excited he's improving. As i said I'd be equally excited with a 53 foot SP that an average D1 thrower could do, because it's progress

Whether or not the 400m hurdles was world class is up for debate but there's certainly been some world class trolling in this thread!

Over the hurdle wrote:

A 49.07 is not that impressive from Eaton, 10.3 speed + good endurance and great hurdling ability.

Most elite 400hurdlers also with 10.3 speed break 48 consistently, 48.5 would be an off day, 49.0 would be a bad day.

The 41 guys that have broken 48.00 have done it 298 times. That's not consistent. Moses did it 46 times. That's consistent. It's a damn hard barrier to break in a hard event. So hard that a 48.60 guy (Brandon Johnson) left the event for a change of scenery. He is now a 1:43 guy. Is the 49.07 amazing? Actually it is considering the Eaton just picked up the event.

The criticism with the decathlon and multi eventers is that people say how these guys are just good all around athletes but are not world class in any one thing. Eaton is though. He is world class in the LJ, 110, 400 and now the 400IH.

old coach man wrote:

Over the hurdle wrote:

A 49.07 is not that impressive from Eaton, 10.3 speed + good endurance and great hurdling ability.

Most elite 400hurdlers also with 10.3 speed break 48 consistently, 48.5 would be an off day, 49.0 would be a bad day.

The 41 guys that have broken 48.00 have done it 298 times. That's not consistent. Moses did it 46 times. That's consistent. It's a damn hard barrier to break in a hard event. So hard that a 48.60 guy (Brandon Johnson) left the event for a change of scenery. He is now a 1:43 guy. Is the 49.07 amazing? Actually it is considering the Eaton just picked up the event.

The criticism with the decathlon and multi eventers is that people say how these guys are just good all around athletes but are not world class in any one thing. Eaton is though. He is world class in the LJ, 110, 400 and now the 400IH.

I'd say he's also back edge of world class in the 100 - his 10.21 in 2012 put him 103 in the world for the year.

49.07/46.78=3:54/3:43.3

He beat guys like Dutch and Van Zyl who are competitive in many elite meetings.

Eaton's 400h time is very good, but not great for the decathlon world holder (in a way). All great decathletes have one or two events where they are world-class. Based on his 110h and 400m dash times, that 400h time dose not surprise me at all. I think Eaton could be an Olympic/WC long jump medalist, he has jumped close to 27 feet completely missing the board. That's more impressive than his 400h PR. In a way, perhaps it is a great performance because of all the events decathletes tend to excel in, the 400h is usually not one of them. It would almost be like expecting a decathlete to excel at the 800, it is not in their table of events and they don't train for it.

What's scary is that Eaton's throwing technique is about equal to a H.S. kid, which is odd because small throwers tend to have better technique. As good as he is now, he is going to get much better.

Over the hurdle wrote:No, the IAAF tables are WAY off.

The IAAF tables seem to assume every event has equal participation which isn't true. NO one wants to run 400m hurdles, everyone wants to run 100m and the Mile.

This can skew conversions even more. So, a 49 400m hurdles looks more impressive on conversion tables than it really is by a significant margin, maybe the biggest disparity between any other running event. This makes the 400m hurdles an 'easy' event for someone like Eaton to pick up and be near the top

good post

albeit best differential for 400-flat/stix shoud be in region of

~ 2.5s

i'm pretty damn sure kevin was capable of 44-flat/low in the wr & angelo has even gone 44-flat & he has appalling technique over stix !!!

ashton coud probably go 48-flat this year as limit if he just stuck to mostly deca training mode, meaning not going overboard in 1 event as he may never recover other events

if he seriously wanted the 400h this year & damn the deca for '15/'16..., he coud go

~ 47.5

Good to see you on this thread, Ventolin, particularly since I think it relates to your opinion of track WRs at 3000m - 10000m vs track WRs at 100m and 200m.

Anyway, if it's not too much trouble, I'd love to see your 1968 line of fit for Lee Evans from 200m through 800m + for 400H.

And if you have an opinion about what Alberto Juantorena might have done for 400H, that'd be fun to see as well.

p.s. still hoping you'll offer an opinion on Rupp's potential for 60' on the track + 20000m time en route.

10/10 - honestly wish I had popcorn to eat while watching your performance in this thread. Brava!

dkny64 wrote:I'd love to see your 1968 line of fit for Lee Evans from 200m through 800m + for 400H

i'm going to get lambasted for this, but i don't believe mexico-height helped sprints

he only does it from physics & no consideration for hypoxia crippling altitude for 400m & even to some extent for 100m

his papers seem to have disappeared from home page

bottom line :

hines worth < 9.95 at 0m

smith worth < < 19.83 at 0m

evans worth < < 43.86 at 0m

they ran those times NOT because of altitude & unbroken for ~ decades, but because they were best damn guys for ~ decades !

This has got to be the most moronic debate I've ever seen. Not one person has made the argument that this guy trains for TEN different events. Most athletes train all of their lives for a specific event and won't ever come close to running a world class time. He performs at an incredibly high level in multiple events where the training has very little correlation from one event to the next. I'm not even sure why anyone is trying to correlate this to a 3:5x mile or 1:50x 800. People running those times in the mile and 800 are getting the living sh*t kicked out of them...IN THE US. Anybody claiming this isn't an impressive time for a decathlete is an idiot and a troll.

ventolin^3 wrote:

dkny64 wrote:I'd love to see your 1968 line of fit for Lee Evans from 200m through 800m + for 400H

i'm going to get lambasted for this, but i don't believe mexico-height helped sprints

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/index.htmlhttp://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/400alt.html

he only does it from physics & no consideration for hypoxia crippling altitude for 400m & even to some extent for 100m

his papers seem to have disappeared from home page

bottom line :

hines worth < 9.95 at 0m

smith worth < < 19.83 at 0m

evans worth < < 43.86 at 0m

they ran those times NOT because of altitude & unbroken for ~ decades, but because they were best damn guys for ~ decades !

naah.

jhbjb wrote:

- wrote:

However, maybe I should indicate that this is more as 3:54 TALENT rather than 3:54 equivalent. Obviously less people are going to run 3:54 as it requires more training to reach your maximum potential than a sprint does. It's kind of like how a 10.00 is theoretically equal to 2:07:00 marathon but a 2:07:00 marathon takes much more training to do. So it's easier to max out your potential in a sprint, which is why more people achieve such high quality in sprints.

Lol. It does not take longer to reach your potential in the marathon compared to the 100m. You distance runners act like no one else works hard except yourselves.

Actually, it does. Prime marathon age is considered to be in the early to mid 30s. For sprinting it's in the early 20s.

stats say otherwise wrote:

Prime marathon age is considered to be in the early to mid 30s.

I disagree.

48.94 for 3rd at IWC. Just 0.14 away from the win...

Even better...

Will certainly be interesting to see where this ends...

Now beating Tinsley and Sanchez with a 48.69, pretty sweet.