father of one of the california shooting victims says the NRA killed his child

Please elaborate on 'moral foundation'

runn wrote:

Guns should not be banned but some control over who owns them could help.

After all- we DO control who can drive a car and we even take away that right if someone abuses the privilege.

Why not the same for guns?

We already do that einstein. It is illegal for anyone with a felony conviction to have a firearm. But they still seem to get them even though laws exist. What does tell you about the legislation you are crying for?

Ban all guns - YOU DONT NEED THEM!

Informer Daddy Snow wrote:

Mandatory licenses for guns. This dad is not an idiot. The NRA is a bunch of lying crooks.

Will it remedy the problem? No, it won't. But it will help.

FINALLY!!!!!!!

You have a refreshingly balanced and positive attitude!

I know that having faith in humans can be difficult at times, but I wouldn't be surprised if many gun owners have the same viewpoint as yourself, and are misrepresented/undermined/patronised by the NRA's opposition to legislation that would only help reduce the chances of Columbine, Elliott Rodger crap happening again.

There needs to be an emphasis on creating a culture of responsible gun procurement and ownership not a fanatical ideology fuelled by paranoia and dollar signs.

After the Newtown massacre, the NRA head said that the problem is lack of mental health services. 4% of murders are committed by people with mental health problems.

The arguments for gun control amount to a personal judgement that "nobody needs guns" and then usually insults and name calling.

Actual logic, facts, cause/effect are lost. Big picture thinking is extinct. The fact that you liberals, in nearly every argument, degrade to insults and vague statements only reinforces how weak your arguments are.

It is frightening that you all parrot the extreme liberal biased media without doing any actual and unbiased research for yourself.

You are the reason that the United States is declining economically, socially, spiritually. You are the reason we are in ever increasing danger, and why we are rapidly loosing our freedom.

Nothing you liberals have put forward works. You live in some arrogant fantasy world of your own opinions.

I say all this knowing, from experience, that you have waived your ability to change. You are diseased and if your disease continues to spread, as the media, most educators and obviously the liberal politicians hope, this country will be destroyed.

Think about the fact that you are able to have your opinions, no matter how shallow and uninformed you choose to make them, because a bit over 200 years ago men used their guns to protect themselves, rid themselves of tyranny and establish the most free nation in history.

Your very right to have the opinion of taking away peoples right to have guns, is possible because of the people who used guns to win you that right.

I realize nothing I say here will have any impact on the mass of brainwashed liberals. I just hope that enough people are enlightened enough to examine each subject thoroughly, thoughtfully and realistically, with a big-picture approach.

Good night!

ThisCat wrote:

Please elaborate on 'moral foundation'

Moral: pertaining to principles of right and wrong; ethical

Foundation: that upon which something is founded; basis

Solid arguments there bud; glad you included plenty of support for all your statements. Your first sentence was spot on, then you went ahead and did exactly what you accuse liberals of... think about that. Good luck with that attitude, I guess you'll be pretty miserable for the rest of your life since there will be plenty of liberals running the show on and off. Now shoo back to your hole.

More gray area stuff - conservatives claim liberals have no morals yet seem to be the least sympathetic to another human's life. Put yourself in that dad's shoes.. you'd quickly want to do anything possible to reduce gun murders. There's logic in that don't you think?

ThisCat wrote:

More gray area stuff - conservatives claim liberals have no morals yet seem to be the least sympathetic to another human's life. Put yourself in that dad's shoes.. you'd quickly want to do anything possible to reduce gun murders. There's logic in that don't you think?

You seem to be speaking for conservatives. Big mistake. Also, are you assuming that I am a conservative?

My first piece of advice for you - try not to assume anything. Second bit - try not to speak for groups (i.e., conservatives). Then perhaps we can have a conversation.

Only the Hillel House crowd should have guns. Ask them. Then the rest of you can go to the gulags.

joedirt wrote:

Or as a deterrant to crime / murder. Your city, bank, country, etc. are all kept safe by the threat of force by guns. Unless you are a vegetarian, never use cosmetics, don't wear leather or use any other animal based product something had to die, usually by gun shot. You just prefer to have someone else do the killing for you and do not appreciate the true cost of your food you eat and the items you use on a daily basis. The liberties you enjoy were obtained for you by guns shot by the people you like to criticize that often learned to shoot by hunting. Again, you just like to have someone else do the killing for you. Powder based tools are used all the time in construction of buildings. So yeah, maybe there are a couple legitimate reasons to own a gun.

If guns were a deterrant to crime/murder than the more guns there were the safer everyone would be. Of course just the opposite is true. Americans have more guns than anyone ever and they also have more death by guns. Guns don't create liberty they create fear!