Ryun - Brief Vid of Dusseldorf '67 : 11.6 / 36.5 ( incomplete ) finish now on Youtube

ukathleticscoach wrote:

The video cuts about 100m out so that 36.5 time is way off

Said88 has a copy of the entire race...

Wtfunny wrote:Ventolin^3

A serious question .. you've suggested you think Ryun, in his peak form, on modern tracks with optimal conditions, was worth 3:24. How much faster than that do you think he was potentially worth had he ...

not something i'd considered

he was "ultimate" package in '67

worth

~ 1'39.9 /3'24.2

in coliseum &/or dussedorf run

the "advancements" you offer are nonsense

asbel's strength training basically consists of dragging an ole tyre tied around his waist on infield

utter total fuucking joke

the kenyans have run 1'40/2'11/3'26/3'43/etc since keino's days & they have had absolutely no serious help from keino/kiprugut's days other than coach saying they have to run harder sessions to get to europe

read canova :

he said kenya have 3'25 guys if they had sal camp

So you don't think that in the last nearly 50 years, the times have come down at all, other than differences in track technology and maybe shoes? Yet marathon times seem to have dropped a staggering amount, and they're still running on the same pavement. Why do you suppose marathon runners have gotten so significantly faster, yet track runners, presumably from 100m - 10 000m, have not improved whatsoever?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Wtfunny wrote:Ventolin^3

A serious question .. you've suggested you think Ryun, in his peak form, on modern tracks with optimal conditions, was worth 3:24. How much faster than that do you think he was potentially worth had he ...

not something i'd considered

he was "ultimate" package in '67

worth

~ 1'39.9 /3'24.2

in coliseum &/or dussedorf run

the "advancements" you offer are nonsense

asbel's strength training basically consists of dragging an ole tyre tied around his waist on infield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUMqOEDhLkU

utter total fuucking joke

the kenyans have run 1'40/2'11/3'26/3'43/etc since keino's days & they have had absolutely no serious help from keino/kiprugut's days other than coach saying they have to run harder sessions to get to europe

read canova :

he said kenya have 3'25 guys if they had sal camp

Actually, this looks like it supports what I'm saying .. Modern training like Sal's camp uses would lower the current Kenyan times by 2-4 seconds. Don't you think Ryun, running under Sal's tutelage, would've been significantly faster than he managed under the old school (or no school) training methods he ran under?

Hey look! Another example of why "being tired" is meaningless when it comes to athletic performance.

Also another load of woulda coulda shoulda, didn't.

Wtfunny wrote:So you don't think that in the last nearly 50 years, the times have come down at all

other than differences in track technology and maybe shoes?

moron

you really are stoopid

for kenyans, go see asbel's tyre vid

kenyans just have to run harder to make europe

huge turnover is because no one takes much interest/care if they get injured

always more kenyans who coudn't kickaball

Yet marathon times seem to have dropped a staggering amount

idiot

because they were p!ss weak times

2"03+ is still weak

it shoud be around 2"02-flat/low

and they're still running on the same pavement. Why do you suppose marathon runners have gotten so significantly faster, yet track runners, presumably from 100m - 10 000m, have not improved whatsoever?

moron

your peabain seems to have no clue

the geoffrey who ran

2"05-flat

in new york

was best distance runner shape in history

your peabrain not comprehend he got something like $250k for that

only an idiot wouda run 10k track for no more than $100k for 26'16

get a clue idiot

ventolin^3 wrote:

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the geoffrey who ran

2"05-flat

in new york

was best distance runner shape in history

your peabrain not comprehend he got something like $250k for that

only an idiot wouda run 10k track for no more than $100k for 26'16

get a clue idiot

So the best guys have moved to the 'thon. Sure .. but times across all distances, whether it's 100m or 10 000m, on the track have only marginally improved, if at all, if one accepts your position. You're suggesting that sprinters have similarly shifted to the 'thon? Don't be so silly.

You say the times are weak for the marathon, based on what? How about basing them on how fast people can actually run a marathon? You could easily make that same argument about any record, if you want to. it's silly.

Why do you think the athlete who was the best distance runner shape in history "only" ran 2:05 flat, when he should've been (according to you) down around or under 2:02? That makes no sense at all.

Wtfunny wrote:

Why do you think the athlete who was the best distance runner shape in history "only" ran 2:05 flat, when he should've been (according to you) down around or under 2:02? That makes no sense at all.

The answer to that is easy, because it was at NYC and pretty windy.

Why is this idiot allowed to use this language on the message boards?

Old Mexico wrote:

Wtfunny wrote:

Why do you think the athlete who was the best distance runner shape in history "only" ran 2:05 flat, when he should've been (according to you) down around or under 2:02? That makes no sense at all.

The answer to that is easy, because it was at NYC and pretty windy.

So the judgement that he (Mutai) was in "best distance runner shape in history" is based on? And that makes E. Mutai's run 80 seconds off the best distance runner shape in history? Emmanuel is good, but I doubt he's THAT good.

ventolin^3 wrote:

...

asbel's strength training basically consists of dragging an ole tyre tied around his waist on infield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUMqOEDhLkU

utter total fuucking joke

...

This might be of some help to you .... But for whatever it's worth, see the field those guys are training on? THAT'S a quagmire.

Your welcome.

yes

drivel

9.58

&

2"03-low

are not "marginal" improvements

some guys in some events have blasted the clock

utter moron

complete drivel

idiot

i watched geoffrey's 2"05-flat on tv

anyone with a peabrain wouda known they saw the greatest M in history that day

moron

he utterly destroyed the course record of most prestigious M of them all

a course where they said hills made a fast time impossible

utter drivel

utter total moron

you have no clue about new york M

ventolin^3 wrote:

you have no clue about new york M

How many times have you run it, moron?

Elliott Rodgers wrote:

Aouita never ran a 3:34 with a last 300 in 36.1.

Morceli was a much better kicker than Aouita and he never ran anything like that.

What Ryun shows in that Dusseldorf race is that he was a guy who never reached his potential. Bad luck and the altitude Olympics derailed a guy who was capable of of sub 3:50 in the mile and likely sub 3:30 almost 50 years ago. All this comparing of runners from different eras is a waste of time in many ways. The targets in each era are different. Ryun was a freak. Leave it at that.

We know Aouita couldn't run 36.1 seconds in 84 for a final 300, because we have a video of him going flat our for the Mile record Post LA and running only 26.5 seconds for the last 200m, finishing more than 2 seconds outside of Coe's WR and having a hard time holding off John Walker.

If Aouita did run a 36 second 300m in 3:34 in early 1984 when preparing for the 5000m in LA, that only goes to show his improvement from the winter of 82/83 when he moved to Italy was no way possible by natural means. He could barely break 1:50/3:40 from 1980-1982, and yet within 18 months of moving to Italy was capable (a 36.1 300m in a 3:34 would suggest) of 1:41/3:28 at least.

Seems Said88 is the originator of the 36.1 second claim, reporting it supposedly from a German magazine which he has never supplied a link to and which Calculo has taken up blindly in order to put some shade on the 80's British runners he loathes so much.