Who in god's name put Jordan McNamara in heat #2

Nice call Rojo.

The heats sure didn't look even. Nearly all the big names in heat #1. Brannen was in heat #2.

The heats would've looked a bit more even if Leer had run.

No offense to anyone, but they've actually made it in past years where they will split it up "a little bit", but people will always point out the so called "fastest" heat by the quantity of the elite names...

Like 2 years ago when David Torrence and Aarass ran 3:34/3:35 in one heat when Farah/rupp/Andrew ran 3:34's in another

or last year when Symmonds won his heat while Leer/Rupp was were in another, and there were tons of 3:36's, even last year it was partially split up

i think because they've done this: i get the purpose, to "level the playing field", but i feel like if they keep on doing this and they dont get the pace fast in the top heat, we'll never have a pack of guys 3:32-3:34 at Oxy and maybe some guys wont come back because of thier heat choice

1>3 wrote:

Nice call Rojo.

The heats sure didn't look even. Nearly all the big names in heat #1. Brannen was in heat #2.

I actually like the idea of having two even heats. It's the way meets like this should be done - at least at the collegiate level.

But heat 2 was way slower than heat 1 in both the 800 and 1500. pure coincidence?

If they were even, then why was mcnamara upsest he wasn't in heat 1.

rojo wrote:

I just don't get it. How does Mcnmara end up in heat 2. But A Brit Peters end up in heat #1.

We are only 800 meters into heat #2 when I type this.

It's absurd he's in heat #2.Are these heats supposed to be even? Doesn't seem like it to me.

Turned out seeming unfortunate for him, but just out of curiousity, how did the pacing compare between the heats when the rabbits dropped out? Centro kept his heat going while, McNamara dropped back.

It's madness. Madness, I tell you!

Heat two was much more evenly paced and actually, with the exception of the first 300m, it was a faster overall pace. Jordan got to 1100m a full second faster than the leaders in heat one but he just wimped out at that point.

The reason heat one was substantially faster than heat two was because when the rabbit dropped out the leader (Centro) kept the pace going and when the rabbit dropped out in heaat two, the leader (Jordan) did not.

My feeling is that JM missed out on a great opportunity to run fast (should have been 3:35) because he fell asleep between 1050 and 1300. His last 100 indicated he has enough left to continue pushing: IMO, that should have been a 3:35 race too.

I didn't appreciate JM's style of racing at the meet. If he had enough energy to sprint to win and showboat - why not push the pace when he had the chance earlier? That would have helped the other runners with overall times as well as likely still net him a win.

He must have been watching Steve Ovett videos on youtube.

Steve says it wrote:

I didn't appreciate JM's style of racing at the meet. If he had enough energy to sprint to win and showboat - why not push the pace when he had the chance earlier? That would have helped the other runners with overall times as well as likely still net him a win.

He must have been watching Steve Ovett videos on youtube.

The faster and more experienced I get, the more statements like this piss me off. You didn't appreciate his style? Do you really think he's running to help the other runners get faster times?

McNamara should be pissed off about being in the slow heat. He's got a 3:34 pr, this is a huge meet, and because of some bullsh*t meet director who wants even heats, he missed his shot at running against some of the US big boys. You don't get those opportunities very often.

rojo wrote:

I just don't get it. How does Mcnmara end up in heat 2. But A Brit Peters end up in heat #1.

We are only 800 meters into heat #2 when I type this.

It's absurd he's in heat #2.Are these heats supposed to be even? Doesn't seem like it to me.

Peters is an NCAA runner up and 3:37 1500m runner. Dude deserves more respect than he's getting.

Aso ran 2:18 in the 1000m indoors this year.

The Champ wrote:

Aso ran 2:18 in the 1000m indoors this year.

Exactly... as in... NCAA record...

Quesososooo wrote:

The Champ wrote:

Aso ran 2:18 in the 1000m indoors this year.

Exactly... as in... NCAA record...

Yes but I think Rojo's point is that a 3:34 guy is bumped out of the fast heat in favor of a 3:37 guy.

What part of "3:34 is faster than 3:37" are you not getting?

Quesososooo wrote:

Peters is an NCAA runner up and 3:37 1500m runner. Dude deserves more respect than he's getting.

Marcel Marseille wrote:

What part of "3:34 is faster than 3:37" are you not getting?

Quesososooo wrote:

Peters is an NCAA runner up and 3:37 1500m runner. Dude deserves more respect than he's getting.

In fact Jordan ran 3:37 in 2011, then 3:35 in 2012 and 3:34.00 last year. Now he is opening up in 3:37 and it's pretty clear he could have gone at least 3:36 or better last night if he ran a smarter last lap.

I didn't realize he ran 13:34 for 5000 in 2012! That was not long after he was building back from injury. Makes me think the guy starting the thread on McNamara going to 5000 has even more substance.

fsdfasdflkj wrote:

McNamara should be pissed off about being in the slow heat. He's got a 3:34 pr, this is a huge meet, and because of some bullsh*t meet director who wants even heats, he missed his shot at running against some of the US big boys. You don't get those opportunities very often.

I just can't subscribe to this. Like I pointed out earlier- JM was faster through 800, 1000, and 1100 and got there in a more even fashion than did heat one.

The difference in the race was essentially the 250 meters from the bell to the water pit and I put the squarely on the guy you're saying should be so pissed. He had a ton left but wanted to do zero work and pretty much got what he deserved.

Not bashing the guy- great win, great time for an opener, etc. I'm more bashing the guys that are acting like he had some great disservice done to him.

I'm guessing you've never run a race before. The difference in the 250 meters you mention is the absence of Matt Centrowitz, Pat Casey, Ryan Gregson, etc etc. He was disserviced by being forced to run against lesser competition. End of story.

Peters has hit his ceiling. His form is pathetic, like he's running backwards.. reminds me of Aaron Brauhn. Dudes need to work on their form. Peters is damn fit, but his body is fighting him every step of the way.

.cowp wrote:

Peters has hit his ceiling. His form is pathetic, like he's running backwards.. reminds me of Aaron Brauhn. Dudes need to work on their form. Peters is damn fit, but his body is fighting him every step of the way.

He's certainly not the prettiest runner out there no one will argue that.

Still in the NCAA and a student. Just ran 3:38 last night, 3:37 last year, and the collegiate record in the 1k indoors (albeit obviously not the top raced distance). Not sure how that correlates to him "hitting the ceiling."