Starting in 2018, require that all passenger cars are 100% electric (i.e., no carbon emissions).

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Pssst...Nobody on this entire thread has used the word, 'libtard'. As a result, this entire thread is invalid.

photofinish wrote:

The liberal playbook:

1. Sell the public on a false emergency or crisis.

2. Build a consensus using low-information voters around a new set of facts.

3. Grow government to "protect the public" against all opponents.

That's funny.

Bush used those same steps to invade Iraq, create more military divisions and get reelected.

Please stop exhaling.

I have a law that will fix everything.

First, everyone gets one day a week when they can drive a car. Second, everyone has to get a horse for the other 6 days of the week. They can ride a bike also, but they have to at least own a horse.

Finally, design the cars to run on horse shit. That way everyone can commute 10 to 20 miles a day with their horse, and one day a week they can make longer trips, which is all anyone really needs - any more than that is a luxury. And everyone will be able to fuel their own car without needing any fossil fuels other than horse shit. Emissions will go down 85% immediately, and the horse industry will take off, creating millions of new jobs for low-skilled workers which is exactly what the economy needs.

You might be the dumbest poster on this board, and thats saying a lot.

Nope, actually I guess you understand math, which automatically makes you the smartest poster. My bad.

I would contribute something to the thread if I had anything to say, but I suck. Sorry.

Several advances are already coming along well, but not in the mainstream as most car makers don't want people saving fuel.

1) improve aerodynamics;

2) improve engine efficiency.

I've done some of this to my '99 honda, am getting 55 mpg on trips and aiming for 60. Also, I don't drive very much.

Engine efficiency can be greatly improved with driver technique, some of which can be ingrained in cars when they're made. The 2014 honda fit is a good example of this, with dual electric and gas engines. However, it still only gets 55 mph. IMHO, most cars should be in the range of 60 mph and some should be able to get more than 100 mph. Modified cars from the 1990's are already getting in this range.

Hybrid cars like the fit turn off the engines at stops, and easily start them again, without turning the key off and back on, i.e. no difference than a regular car for the driver. This city driving can get as much or even better mileage than on trips.

The first street legal entirely solar car, the Sunswift Eve, has a top speed of 87 mph. Plug it in to any household circuit, or leaving it in the sun for 10 hours will charge it enough for a 500 mile trip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcqF99b1uJw

RE: No Carbon Emissions

Hey, brainiacs - where do you think that the electricity for charging the all electric cars comes from?

Coal - 42% Carbon

Nat Gas - 25% Carbon

Nuclear - 19%

Hydro - 8%

Wind 3%

Geothermal .48%

Solar .04%

*Other - petroleum, wood biomass, other other.

Every one of your "No Carbon Emission" vehicles produces carbon by proxy. Every "No Carbon Emission" vehicle on average receives nearly 70% of its charge from carbon based sources.

The US electrical grid could not transmit enough power nor is there enough generating capacity to accommodate a switch to 20% of passenger vehicles being all electric.

Ever have rolling blackouts during the summer in your city during the summer? This is a result of not enough electrical supply to meet demand.

Mountain Man Fred wrote:

RE: No Carbon Emissions

Hey, brainiacs - where do you think that the electricity for charging the all electric cars comes from?

Coal - 42% Carbon

Nat Gas - 25% Carbon

Nuclear - 19%

Hydro - 8%

Wind 3%

Geothermal .48%

Solar .04%

*Other - petroleum, wood biomass, other other.

Every one of your "No Carbon Emission" vehicles produces carbon by proxy. Every "No Carbon Emission" vehicle on average receives nearly 70% of its charge from carbon based sources.

The US electrical grid could not transmit enough power nor is there enough generating capacity to accommodate a switch to 20% of passenger vehicles being all electric.

Ever have rolling blackouts during the summer in your city during the summer? This is a result of not enough electrical supply to meet demand.

No shit, Sherlock.

Here's a clue for you as you try to solve your next case - EVERYBODY on this entire thread, INCLUDING THE OP, already knew this.

Mountain Man Fred wrote:

where do you think that the electricity for charging the all electric cars comes from?

Solar .04%

That's quite a reduction from 100%. :)

Wingnut wrote:

NO. Let free enterprise run its course. The market will take care of everything.

Yes it will.

We will run out of gas sooner or later. That is a fact. Gas will become more expensive. However, this may take a while.

Some countries in the EU have really high taxes on gas, these are typically based on cents/liter and not a certain percentage. So as the oil price increases around the world, the absolute increase is the same in the US and in Germany, but the percentage change in Germany is much lower.

In 2008 (?) when gas went up from $2 to $4 in the states per gallon, in Germany it went up from $6 to $8.

Same absolute increase, very different percentage increase (100% vs. 50%).

Americans were selling their SUV's, Germans continued to drive their gas efficient car.

German Guy wrote:

In 2008 (?) when gas went up from $2 to $4 in the states per gallon, in Germany it went up from $6 to $8.

And the cost of gasoline is why German and Europe have far superior public transportation than the U.S. When gas runs out Europe and Asia will prosper. The U.S. will become a gasoline-starved third-world backwater.

Public Transit wrote:

And the cost of gasoline is why German and Europe have far superior public transportation than the U.S. When gas runs out Europe and Asia will prosper. The U.S. will become a gasoline-starved third-world backwater.

That's not what I said or meant.

What happened back then is that Americans started looking for more fuel efficient cars and they still are. The impact was very sudden and intense though.

The US will also be able to adjust to a gas price of 6, 8 or even $10 per gallon. This can't happen over night but in a 10y timeframe, no problem.

And yes, at $10 per gallon, you will see a lot more Tesla and Chevy Volt.

German Guy wrote:

And yes, at $10 per gallon, you will see a lot more Tesla and Chevy Volt.

So, you don't actually live in German, or in Europe.

50% of US students cannot find New York state on a map.60% cannot find Iraq on a map.45% of students and adults believe that an anti-biotic kills both bacteria and viruses.Only 47% of students knew that electrons were smaller than atoms. It wouldn't be too surprising to learn that most do not know what fuel is used to generate electricity. If you asked most of the brainwashed youth of today, the majority would likely with "oil".