Can anyone rub sub-15? How can you tell if someone has this kind of potential?
Can anyone rub sub-15? How can you tell if someone has this kind of potential?
Hingle you suck at running and will never get out of the 18:30-19:45 range. Get off ths site. Nosbody likes you.
I like Hingle...
You can tell if they run 14:59 or faster.
xenonscreams wrote:
You can tell if they run 14:59 or faster.
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xenonscreams wrote:
You can tell if they run 14:59 or faster.
I agree. 1x5k is probably the best indicator.
xenonscreams wrote:
You can tell if they run 14:59 or faster.
I agree.
100% accurate test, and it only takes 15 minutes get a result.
Critical Thinking wrote:
I agree. 1x5k is probably the best indicator.
idiot
offer your 400 and 800 shape
then fetch wind, splits, temperature, number of turns run in lane 2, improper pacing, and subtract liberal amounts of time for each
from there 5000m can be predicted with perfect pacing and wabbits thru 4k
These are general guidelines for a large population if you want to know the requisite speed to run 15:00ish for 5000m. Of course, there are always outliers that get by with slightly less speed than this, but only slightly.
26.0 - 200m
56.2 - 400m
2:01.5 - 800m
4:23 - 1600m
9:28 - 3200m
15:03 - 5000m
There are mass requirements as well, but if you are a guy it's very unlikely you don't have at least the minimum muscle mass to hit these times.
Most Interesting Coach ITW wrote:
These are general guidelines for a large population if you want to know the requisite speed to run 15:00ish for 5000m. Of course, there are always outliers that get by with slightly less speed than this, but only slightly.
26.0 - 200m
56.2 - 400m
2:01.5 - 800m
4:23 - 1600m
9:28 - 3200m
15:03 - 5000m
There are mass requirements as well, but if you are a guy it's very unlikely you don't have at least the minimum muscle mass to hit these times.
But if you are already running those other times you will have already run the 5km time - you are just stating the obvious. How about someone whi is newer to running
Don't know myself the main quality required is determination and willingness to do the training and that is only apparent over time. Plus all this feeling comfortable stuff in training and following some pre-determined pace in training is BS. You need someone who will push themselves to the limit and have an open mind Of course being fast over shorter distance helps but some of those will just be 800m runners
HardLoper wrote:
Critical Thinking wrote:I agree. 1x5k is probably the best indicator.
idiot
offer your 400 and 800 shape
then fetch wind, splits, temperature, number of turns run in lane 2, improper pacing, and subtract liberal amounts of time for each
from there 5000m can be predicted with perfect pacing and wabbits thru 4k
Thank you, I'm not sure what I was thinking there.
Coach F wrote:
xenonscreams wrote:You can tell if they run 14:59 or faster.
I agree.
Not necessarily. I broke 15 and never ran 14:59 or faster.
Buncha guys on my college XC squad broke 15, some broke 14.
There were guys who ran stuff like 4:20 miles in high school, 9:20 two miles in high school. Decent runners who trained hard in college. 80 mpw, lots of long intervals. 5 @ one mile pretty fast, stuff like that.
A good example, (but not the top guy), ran 4:20 in high school, was injured frosh year of college, ran a 14:29 5000 his sophomore year.
If you ran a mile in middle school in 5:45-6:00 without any track training at all and weren't a soccer player, you probably can break 15:00 at some point in your career.
Is that what you're looking for?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Most Interesting Coach ITW wrote:These are general guidelines for a large population if you want to know the requisite speed to run 15:00ish for 5000m. Of course, there are always outliers that get by with slightly less speed than this, but only slightly.
26.0 - 200m
56.2 - 400m
2:01.5 - 800m
4:23 - 1600m
9:28 - 3200m
15:03 - 5000m
There are mass requirements as well, but if you are a guy it's very unlikely you don't have at least the minimum muscle mass to hit these times.
But if you are already running those other times you will have already run the 5km time - you are just stating the obvious. How about someone whi is newer to running
Don't know myself the main quality required is determination and willingness to do the training and that is only apparent over time. Plus all this feeling comfortable stuff in training and following some pre-determined pace in training is BS. You need someone who will push themselves to the limit and have an open mind Of course being fast over shorter distance helps but some of those will just be 800m runners
Maybe there is some sort of communication breakdown here due to my lack of explanation because obviously not everyone who has run 26.0 for 200m has run 15:00 for 5K. In fact, most people who have run 26.0 for 200m have not run 15:00 for 5K.
I should have made it more clear that the times listed are a "benchmark" for the distance listed just below it. Meaning, you are likely to run a 26.0 200m before you run 56.2 for 400m, which in turn you are likely to do before you hit 2:01.5 for 800m, etc. That's just the nature of the aerobic system, it takes so damn long to develop maximally.
For someone who is struggling to understand what it takes to break 15:00 I would first ask them what their 200m speed is. If it's slower than 26.0 by a significant margin they need to work on their basic speed or they really have no shot.
It's easier to have stepping stones when trying to reach a goal. If you can hit the 26.0 and 56.2, but not the 2:01.5, that's the next logical goal to focus on. Then the 1600m time, then 3200m in 9:28ish. Then the 15:00 5K is just one more stepping stone away.
You may not agree with this methodology, but hopefully what I was trying to say makes more sense.
Most Interesting Coach ITW wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:But if you are already running those other times you will have already run the 5km time - you are just stating the obvious. How about someone whi is newer to running
Don't know myself the main quality required is determination and willingness to do the training and that is only apparent over time. Plus all this feeling comfortable stuff in training and following some pre-determined pace in training is BS. You need someone who will push themselves to the limit and have an open mind Of course being fast over shorter distance helps but some of those will just be 800m runners
Maybe there is some sort of communication breakdown here due to my lack of explanation because obviously not everyone who has run 26.0 for 200m has run 15:00 for 5K. In fact, most people who have run 26.0 for 200m have not run 15:00 for 5K.
I should have made it more clear that the times listed are a "benchmark" for the distance listed just below it. Meaning, you are likely to run a 26.0 200m before you run 56.2 for 400m, which in turn you are likely to do before you hit 2:01.5 for 800m, etc. That's just the nature of the aerobic system, it takes so damn long to develop maximally.
For someone who is struggling to understand what it takes to break 15:00 I would first ask them what their 200m speed is. If it's slower than 26.0 by a significant margin they need to work on their basic speed or they really have no shot.
It's easier to have stepping stones when trying to reach a goal. If you can hit the 26.0 and 56.2, but not the 2:01.5, that's the next logical goal to focus on. Then the 1600m time, then 3200m in 9:28ish. Then the 15:00 5K is just one more stepping stone away.
You may not agree with this methodology, but hopefully what I was trying to say makes more sense.
Somewhat, however I disagree a little of the speed side. It's important for distance guys, but having 56 speed is not a 15:00 requisite. I know several guys that couldn't crack 60 and ran sub 15. One of those guys had a mile PR of 4:31.
Speed matters a ton for 800, significantly for 1500, and while it's still relevant to 5k you can get by with quite a bit less than your benchmarks with a monster engine.
LM wrote:
Somewhat, however I disagree a little of the speed side. It's important for distance guys, but having 56 speed is not a 15:00 requisite. I know several guys that couldn't crack 60 and ran sub 15. One of those guys had a mile PR of 4:31.
Speed matters a ton for 800, significantly for 1500, and while it's still relevant to 5k you can get by with quite a bit less than your benchmarks with a monster engine.
Sub 15:00 5000 without having sub 60 400 capacity is quite irregular. As is a 4:31 mile translating into a sub 15:00 5000. More than likely the mile and 400 were given very little focus in comparison to the 5000 for these several guys, or the mile pr came years and thousands of miles before the 5000 pr.