My challenge: Post Examples of DQs for Actions Similar to Grunewald and Ryan Hill

The fact that GG tried to go inside on two different athletes when she had all the room in the world and running 5-10 secs/mile faster than both. If I'm coaching another athlete I'm looking to her to come FAST up on the rear,try inside, break HARD, then pass with a little salt as she passes. And if that happens then IM PROTESTING.

She couldn't go around these women the way Rupp went around Hill, CLEAN.

Remember that Rupp went down at the NCAA champs and no dq was requested as contact is expected in a tight race, but between 2 ships of different speeds, come on!

Wyner contacts Smayda - 2006 Indoor Ivy League Championships - 1000m

No video - occurred before the youtube was big.

TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT wrote:

Indoor World Champs 1500 in Istanbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-hJS9MTtbA

If Jordan Hasay was in this kind of race, Salazar would definitely have had a heart attack.

Rimmer winning after pushing Kaki down, no DQ, 2013 Grand Prix.

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250459-British-Athletics-Indoor-Grand-Prix/video/694712-DQ-You-Make-the-Call#.Uw9F9YVfGHs

staterof theoblivious wrote:

Rimmer winning after pushing Kaki down, no DQ, 2013 Grand Prix.

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250459-British-Athletics-Indoor-Grand-Prix/video/694712-DQ-You-Make-the-Call#.Uw9F9YVfGHs

Now if that's not a DQ, no way that USATF stuff would be.

But every example shown of a DQ has been from pushing or some contact with a hand or part of the arm.

This is not similar to the Grunewald or Hill DQ.

No one has shown a DQ of someone stepping on a foot or angling their body in front of someone.

No extended arms or hands. No one fell at USATF.

That would be a DQ for unsportsman like conduct, not obstruction.

Of course there aren't any comparable examples. 99.9% of athletes are'nt stupid enough to run up on another athlete, in the last lap of a championship race, when they have plenty of room to go around. They were clear of all the other runners, and she knew she had way more left. Anybody else in her position, would, and have done the correct thing and made the pass without making unnecessary contact.

Virginia's AAA State boys 1600 last year had a DQ for interference. A boy drifted into lane 2 or 3 as another tried to pass just about 5m from the finish line. He held him off because of it, but got DQed.

Truth! wrote:

Of course there aren't any comparable examples. 99.9% of athletes are'nt stupid enough to run up on another athlete, in the last lap of a championship race, when they have plenty of room to go around.

Gebrselassie - 1993

El Guerouj - 1996

Both were stupid enough to run up on another athlete, in the last lap of a championship race, when they had plenty of room to go around.

VA 3A wrote:

Virginia's AAA State boys 1600 last year had a DQ for interference. A boy drifted into lane 2 or 3 as another tried to pass just about 5m from the finish line. He held him off because of it, but got DQed.

Yes, they have many more DQ's in high school than pros.

Even so, this is not similar.

Drifting wide to angle someone off heading to the finish line is not what happened here.

That's impeding a runner for a sustained period.

Here's another challenge:

Someone find a video of another runner dumb enough to attempt a pass on the inside of a banked indoor turn in the final lap. That same video should answer the first question too.

Regardless of whether it should have been a DQ, GG is running in a way that is simply not good enough for the level she is running. She has talent but she flat out sucks at racing. That incident should never happen except maybe in a pack. In an open area that move was egregious.

Incidental contact is one thing, I just think running that stupidly should be punished harshly.

nate dawg wrote:

There is several videos posted in this thread. Why aren't you looking at them. YOu can't see the evidence if you don't look. dummy

Have you clicked on the videos yourse.f? Most of the videos were people posting examples of stuff way worse than what happened in ABQ but didn't result in DQs.

The Mills 10k for example.

VA 3A wrote:

Virginia's AAA State boys 1600 last year had a DQ for interference. A boy drifted into lane 2 or 3 as another tried to pass just about 5m from the finish line. He held him off because of it, but got DQed.

This is at the finish of the race. Vastly different than Hill 1k out from the finish. I agree that the rules don't take the difference into account but common sense practice has.

Video Evidence? wrote:

Wyner contacts Smayda - 2006 Indoor Ivy League Championships - 1000m

No video - occurred before the youtube was big.

As the coach of Wyner, I believe wyner just shoved him to the side. I kind of wish they had an overrule on that one. LIke the officials call it a foul but smayda says - i'm fine with it.

Sort of like in tennis when you call your own lines.

Yes it was a foul but in a team competition it's sort of like calling holding on an offensive lineman for holding a guy on his own team.

kiowavt wrote:

Ironically in your editorial opposing bullying of (not by) Bumbalough on the the hand (bullying by GG only counts if JH does fall, after all), you confuse Hill and Bumbalough and Rupp: "It’s easy to see how the mistake happened. The referee was told there was a foul involving Bumbalough/Rupp near the 2k mark. He goes back and watches the tape, sees contact and disqualifies Bumbalough, failing to realize that the runner making contact was Bumbalough, not Rupp."

I didn't confuse anyone. The Bumbalough/Rupp meant the official was told there was contact between Bumbalough/Rupp at 2k. I understand you thought I meant to write Bumbalough/Hill to indicate Bumbalough or Hill but that's not what I meant.

Maybe poor writing but no confusion.

when that guy jenkins cut off erassa in the ncaa indoor 3k last year.

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbxfKavcCdA

I'd never seen that clip before. Not really comparable but very funny - thanks for sharing it.

J.R. wrote:

Personally I think it's a dumb thread and I can't be bothered.

Of course people have been DQ'd before. Of course there are rules against fouls. To try an argue there's a tree in the ground with someone who refuses to see is a fruitless endeavor.

HAHAHAHAHA

the irony

I would image any case of a foul being called due to clipping a runner's heels would be the same, and that has happened many times.

You seem to be looking for one in which the runner didn't fall. I don't think the fact that Jordan didn't fall should take away from the fact that she was fouled and could have fallen.

Remember, the foul is in the action, not in the result(falling).

rojo wrote:

kiowavt wrote:

Ironically in your editorial opposing bullying of (not by) Bumbalough on the the hand (bullying by GG only counts if JH does fall, after all), you confuse Hill and Bumbalough and Rupp: "It’s easy to see how the mistake happened. The referee was told there was a foul involving Bumbalough/Rupp near the 2k mark. He goes back and watches the tape, sees contact and disqualifies Bumbalough, failing to realize that the runner making contact was Bumbalough, not Rupp."

I didn't confuse anyone. The Bumbalough/Rupp meant the official was told there was contact between Bumbalough/Rupp at 2k. I understand you thought I meant to write Bumbalough/Hill to indicate Bumbalough or Hill but that's not what I meant.

Maybe poor writing but no confusion.

not following your reasoning at all, rojo - the text clearly says that the official failed 'to realize that the runner was Bumbalough, not Rupp'

Just change that last 'Bumbalough' to 'Hill'