RE: Grunewald releases a Statement!!

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  • ccccccccccc
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 12:57pm CST
    re: Another Has Been
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    It's hard to see how track and field would be in bad shape without Nike at this point. Any investment they make in track and field is because it is a good business decision, a decision that other running companies would also make if Nike disappeared.

    The other possibility I can think of is one that is a little sad (and hopefully not true)--running makes money, track and field does not.

    If Nike went away from track and field and others didn't step in to fill the void, it would mean that these companies have realized that the real money is in running (jogging, road races, healthy living, etc.), not in track and field.

    Sometimes I wonder if the only way for a company to really make money on track and field is to dominate the market as Nike has done, to have your spikes on the feet of half of the competitors in every high school meet. Running is a different story. Lots of people have running shoes. But short shorts, spikes, etc? Maybe the only way to really bank on these items is to get half of the market share because there just aren't that many people buying spikes (compared to how many buy the Gel Kayano and Brooks Ghost).

    What gives me hope, I will say, is how heavily New Balance and others are investing in lightweight, elite spikes, racing flats, and meet sponsorship. Hopefully companies have decided that track and field is an area in which they can make money. Considering this last point, I actually am really happy with where track and field is right now and its potential for growth.
  • The Oregeon Tripper
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 1:02pm CST
    re: curtain call
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    dude said he ran a 2:12 and I took him on his word. Fleming more more decorated.

    What is your point? No offense to Steve but I' m not from Minnesota, I'm not a Big Ten fan and didn't keep track of every runner who finish top 10 in Boston in the 70's especially when they retire from running. We all have our "guys" and steve simply wasn't one of mine.

    Grow up kid
  • TrackCoach
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 1:05pm CST
    re: Barakus Obama
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    I am not a big fan of infractions that don't impact the outcome of a race and I'm glad to see that the best athlete gets to represent the USA in Poland. However, this does not change the fact the Gabe did technically (by the rules) commit a foul and AlSal was well within his rights to file a petition.

    Good luck in Poland Gabe and plesae be more careful in the future.
  • They all look alike
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 2:13pm CST
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    Does it really matter which slow, McDonald's loving American we send to Poland to get lapped by the Kenyan's?
  • national classer
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 2:30pm CST
    re: TrackCoach
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    TrackCoach wrote:

    I am not a big fan of infractions that don't impact the outcome of a race and I'm glad to see that the best athlete gets to represent the USA in Poland. However, this does not change the fact the Gabe did technically (by the rules) commit a foul and AlSal was well within his rights to file a petition.

    Good luck in Poland Gabe and plesae be more careful in the future.

    Correct...there was procedure. Seems like 85% of the posters here have a problem with the initial rule. Sorry, you can't do whatever you want..I guess GG should be allowed to false start next because, hey, she had a hell of a kick and survived cancer.
  • Mick Lovin
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 3:41pm CST
    re: just a distant observation
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    Ever see Patty Sue Plumber run?
    She was known to grab, pull shirts and even purposely spike other runners. In short, she was known to be very dirty.
    What I saw from this girl being discussed was seeing she was getting boxed and making sure she wasn't. Nothing more.
  • Horse
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 4:22pm CST
    re: Mick Lovin
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    Unbelievable how much crying there is over MINOR contact at an indoor championship race on the final lap. I bet all the criers have NEVER played any sort of contact sport. What a bunch of puss!es you are. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd all be praising Jordan for being tough and fighting for a gutsy win. Since a virtual no-name athlete beat your blonde hero, it is unfathomable that contact was made on the last lap.

    I love seeing all of you NOP/AlSal nut huggers cry. Jordan does not deserve to go to world's. Plain and simple. Now she's not. Back on the hormone therapy (Rupp too) and prepare for outdoors Jordan...
  • J.R.
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 5:00pm CST
    re: old school steve
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    old school steve wrote:

    P.S. Good luck with your running til you die. I once wanted to do that!

    Well you're doing great, to still be posting here when you're dead.
  • J.R.
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 5:04pm CST
    re: old school steve
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    I remember who you are, still have the book by Ron Daws, and my friend and I used to do some of the training from it, basically the 1/2 mile hill up/down repeats.

    I still say anyone should see the slow motion stop action photos before weighing in on what they think the damage was. I too thought it was incidental before viewing the photos, but it wasn't.

    It would help if someone would post the photos again.
  • old school steve
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 7:46pm CST
    re: J.R.
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    J.R. yes, I'm still alive! You may have taken my comment out of context: I meant that I once felt like I wanted to "run til I died", like the previous poster commented. I didn't quite make it, as injuries have curtailed my running. Still alive, just can't run!

    Regarding slow mo, stop action photos, they're nice, but like the Zapruder photos of the Kennedy assassination, they can be read in a 100 different ways, depending on the outcome that is desired (Think "grassy knoll" theory, etc.) In real-time, normal speed video, all that can be seen is two fast female runners going all-out on the bell lap. One is "dying" from fatigue, the other is beginning to unleash a great kick. They both go for the same spot momentarily and minor contact is made. Neither falls, or is cut-off, or significantly slowed down. No fault, no foul! This is what the judges correctly decided TWICE! The third time the officials were probably worn down to the point of giving in. The point is: there never should have been a second, or third appeal. You know the saying: "the squeaky wheel (Salazar/Nike) gets the attention."
  • runner who professes
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 7:52pm CST
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    A self-referential press release in an obscure race not noticed by ESPN, which covers poker and college hockey? We are inventing news: Gabe, Salazar/Rupp/NOP, the cost of the Goucher house.
  • old school steve
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 7:58pm CST
    re: runner who professes
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    runner who professes wrote:

    A self-referential press release in an obscure race not noticed by ESPN, which covers poker and college hockey? We are inventing news: Gabe, Salazar/Rupp/NOP, the cost of the Goucher house.


    How dare you put this in perspective!! This is what LR is all about.
  • J.R.
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 8:11pm CST
    re: old school steve
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    old school steve wrote:

    J.R. yes, I'm still alive! You may have taken my comment out of context: I meant that I once felt like I wanted to "run til I died", like the previous poster commented. I didn't quite make it, as injuries have curtailed my running. Still alive, just can't run!

    Steve, I'm very sorry about that, but apparently you've found other things to sustain you. Likewise I want to keep running the rest of my life, however long that might be. When I was in 9th grade and first went out for track, I wrote on a piece of paper "I will die running", of course that was a long time ago. I did run a lot, to and from school etc, but not on a serious level in the earlier years.

    I have dreaded not being able to run anymore, but have kind of accepted now that the day with come, and the time that I'm going to die, like everyone else. I will be going, maybe not even cognizant and there won't be a thing I can do.

    Such is life, we live it while we can, we appreciate it while we can, the people we know, the people we love. Then it's gone.
  • old school steve
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 9:03pm CST
    re: J.R.
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    J.R: Yes, I always thought that I could run "forever", although slower, of course. I thought that I should be able to run 10 miles any time I wanted! As I got older it kept getting revised downward to 5,3,.... Pretty soon, it was just not fun and I turned to cycling, walk/running. That's where I'm at now. I still love the sport and I coach H.S. track and XC. I like to follow our elites, like Indoor Nationals last week-end.

    I hope that you will be able to enjoy your running for a long time. Don't ever take it for granted. Do your stretches and other excercises to keep muscle tone, etc. Like you say, "appreciate it while you can"!
  • kmaclam
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    6 years ago 02/25/2014 9:34pm CST
    re: old school steve
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    …."slow motion stop action video"????? Huh? We've watched the race video countless times now & see NOTHING!! to warrant a DQ. Is that clear? But, but, but….if you put on your trifocals, lean in real close, super slo-mo, don't blink now, stop action video, hold it, hold it, hold it,..THERE! …see that? Right there! You didn't see it. OK, back it up, let's try this again. You are kidding aren't you Junior or J.R. If it's not readably visible to the naked eye, it's not a foul. This is not Felix/Tarmoh 2012photo finish, this is a trampling, bull in a china shop, mugging, dirty tactics, impeding, and we need a frigg'in microscope to see it???
  • smell the coffee,
    6 years ago 02/25/2014 9:35pm CST
    re: Horse
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    Horse wrote:

    Unbelievable how much crying there is over MINOR contact at an indoor championship race on the final lap. I bet all the criers have NEVER played any sort of contact sport. What a bunch of puss!es you are. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd all be praising Jordan for being tough and fighting for a gutsy win. Since a virtual no-name athlete beat your blonde hero, it is unfathomable that contact was made on the last lap.

    I love seeing all of you NOP/AlSal nut huggers cry. Jordan does not deserve to go to world's. Plain and simple. Now she's not. Back on the hormone therapy (Rupp too) and prepare for outdoors Jordan...

    You shouldn't step on people from behind, or run into them from behind. That's simple enough. I don't think that she's doing it intentionally - she's just running and trying to pass - but a runner has to learn how to negotiate in a field. If she continues to get in to foot tangles with people, eventually she will get tripped up.
  • 52.43
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    6 years ago 02/26/2014 3:00am CST
    re: smell the coffee,
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    Can't agree with the brojos, when I saw the race I was thinking of a potential DQ because she made physical contact without doubt two times, using her bigger stature.
    - And I know, it's stupid to say it or controversial because quite clearly for everyone to see, she was the fittest girl in the race. I just don't get why she was running like that, without need. In the end I agree with the result of reinstate, but I can see reasons for a dq.
  • kmaclam
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    6 years ago 02/26/2014 1:20pm CST
    re: 52.43
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    What TWO times did she make contact??? Why not just say 3 or 4 times. Have you seen the replay? And using her bigger stature? What does that mean please?